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Nick

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RCC - 5 - Not really much to do, put a great through ball through in the first half, mixup in defence for the second meant he went out to get it.
Lorentzon -5 - Quite impressed with him in the first half getting forward,
Ramage - 3 - What the actual shitting hell is that all about? Didn't win anything in the air against their small strikers.
Ricketts - 4 - Not convinced, still does some silly shit.
Stokes - 7- Man of the match, his fitness is a credit to him as he was playing left back and out pacing 3 or 4 players towards the end. There was a bit where he was chasing the ball like the piggy in the middle and he gave it 100% to at least try. Actually looks like he wanted to win.
Vincelot - 5 - Was against a physical midfield, think he is a bit lost without Fleck.
Hunt - 4 - Ran a lot, nearly put their player clean through
Birigmana - 5 - I actually thought he played quite well, some of the passing was quite good. After he keeps arguing to take free kicks and then skies it he should hang his head.
Murphy - 4 - Brought nothing to the game, at one point JOB overtook him chasing a player. No effort, no end product. He could get away with a shit 80 minutes when he had an amazing 10 minutes.
Maddison - 5 People keep worrying about the Prem and Tottenham, their number 12 taught him a lesson about football today.
Armstrong - 5 - Good shot that brought a good save from their keeper. Good penalty. About it.

Subs

Rose - 5 - Think he should maybe be given a chance in the middle with Fleck next week. Chased everything down and seemed to keep it simple.
JOB - 5 - At least tried to make things happen
Phillips - NA - Not on for long.

Ref - Had no idea, kept slowing the game down. Was embarassing when he kept stopping RCC from passing to ricketts, to just tell him to move it half a yard. They were very physical all through the game, a lot of professional fouls where they just kicked feet away when players beat them

Mowbray - Not sure he realised we were 2-0 down when he brought Phillips on, why not bring an attacking player on.
 

covcity4life

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Rcc 5 - poor decision making cost us corner that led to 2nd goal. Needs to be more direct sometimes

Stokes 5 poor crossing today and sloppy passes

Ramage 5 nearly a monumental fuck up 1st half
Other than that he did enough but looks ropey

Ricketts 5 rly starting to piss me off with his dilly dallying in ball

Lorentzken 6 looked good first half. Think will prove to be first choice

Vincelot 5 tried his best but we had no midfield. Knew he was on yellow so silly challenge for red

Bigi 4 rly bad today. A pansy. Few times he passed forward we nearly cut them.open. he needs to do it more

Murphy 4. Good long range shots but other than he a passenger again. Shud have tested keeper after we pulled one back

Maddison 6 great work to win penalty but 2nd half they figured out how to tackle him and alot of them were fair too

Hunt 6 looked only.player with any intensity first half.

Armstrong 5 good pen but offered little more

Subs

Rose 5 looked a nothing special.bit alot of endeavour

Job 5 poor today. Seemed annoyed st team mates and never got going

Phillips n/a
 

Littlewood CCFC

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RCC - 5 - Not really much to do, put a great through ball through in the first half, mixup in defence for the second meant he went out to get it.
Lorentzon -5 - Quite impressed with him in the first half getting forward,
Ramage - 3 - What the actual shitting hell is that all about? Didn't win anything in the air against their small strikers.
Ricketts - 4 - Not convinced, still does some silly shit.
Stokes - 7- Man of the match, his fitness is a credit to him as he was playing left back and out pacing 3 or 4 players towards the end. There was a bit where he was chasing the ball like the piggy in the middle and he gave it 100% to at least try. Actually looks like he wanted to win.
Vincelot - 5 - Was against a physical midfield, think he is a bit lost without Fleck.
Hunt - 4 - Ran a lot, nearly put their player clean through
Birigmana - 5 - I actually thought he played quite well, some of the passing was quite good. After he keeps arguing to take free kicks and then skies it he should hang his head.
Murphy - 4 - Brought nothing to the game, at one point JOB overtook him chasing a player. No effort, no end product. He could get away with a shit 80 minutes when he had an amazing 10 minutes.
Maddison - 5 People keep worrying about the Prem and Tottenham, their number 12 taught him a lesson about football today.
Armstrong - 5 - Good shot that brought a good save from their keeper. Good penalty. About it.

Subs

Rose - 5 - Think he should maybe be given a chance in the middle with Fleck next week. Chased everything down and seemed to keep it simple.
JOB - 5 - At least tried to make things happen
Phillips - NA - Not on for long.

Ref - Had no idea, kept slowing the game down. Was embarassing when he kept stopping RCC from passing to ricketts, to just tell him to move it half a yard. They were very physical all through the game, a lot of professional fouls where they just kicked feet away when players beat them

Mowbray - Not sure he realised we were 2-0 down when he brought Phillips on, why not bring an attacking player on.

Their number 12 taught maddison a lesson about football? what how many times i can boot you in the air before the dogshit ref pulls out a yellow?
 

Nick

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Their number 12 taught maddison a lesson about football? what how many times i can boot you in the air before the dogshit ref pulls out a yellow?

Their number 12 actually had a decent game, not only did he keep Maddison quiet he also wasn't too bad on the ball.
 

shy_tall_knight

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RCC needs to be dropped, his decision making is chaotic and leads to even more uncertainty in an already unsure defence.
New RB looked poor and no better than aaron P and again is also small effecting our ability to defend set pieices
Ramage poor with one horrendus error
Ricketts ok
Stokes played well except when he took on their right winger in the first half ewhen he should have just cleared it
Bigi - sorry not good enough totally out ofhis depth
Hunt yes as someone stated above there was tempo from him but had a very poor game constantly losing the ball
Roman - didn't seem to do the job he was brought in to do, hardly tackled anybody
Madders there were glimpses today but fairly quiet
Murphy very poor gmes looked uninterested
Arma - like madders glimpses of his ability lots of effort.
Rose started well but drifted out of the game
JOB not as bad as Bigi but plays like a headless chicken too often,
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Cook 5
Lorentzon 6
Ramage 2
Ricketts 4
Stokes 5
Bigirimana 3
Vincelot 5
Hunt 5
Maddison 5
Murphy 3
Armstrong 6

JOB 5
Rose 5
Phillips 5

Ramage, Bigi and Murphy stand out poor performers, Lorentzon and Armstrong our best performers and probably the only two to come out with any credit at all. Everyone else was below par but not terrible.
 

stupot07

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RCC 4
Lorentzson 5
Ricketts 4
Ramage 3
Stokes 6
Vincelot 5
Bigi 3
Hunt 4
Murphy 3
Maddison 6
Armstrong 5

Subs.
Rose 5
JOB 5
Phillips n/a
 

ptr

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People are only giving lorentzon a highish rating due to the fact he's not Phillips.
 

Otis

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I thought Lorentzson showed some nice touches today and it was a lovely ball into the penalty box in the first half to set us up for a good chance.

He did fade, but he is only just back to fitness.

I thought he wasn't too bad at all.

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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RCC 5 - Didn't do too much wrong but really think he needs a game out just to revaluate. He needs to know his position is not guaranteed and he has to work for it.

Lorentzson 6 - Decent debut, certainly put in a lot of effort. Want to see how he progresses.

Ricketts 4 - Looks a lot different to earlier in the season.

Ramage 4 - A few good and crucial tackles but also a few bad mistakes.

Stokes 6.5 - One of the better players. Wasn't a great performance from him, but better than most of his team mates.

Vincelot 6 - Quieter first half but very active throughout. Tries very hard and was unfair that he got sent off in the context of the game that saw their player unpunished for constant fouls.

Bigi 3 - Just looks out of his depth. I'll save the essay.

Hunt 4 - Looked busy for the first 10, then faded and did absolutely nothing.

Murphy 3 - Needs to be dropped (see RCC). This guys effort and attitude is appalling and I've been saying it for weeks. Promotion fighting needs fighters. This guy plays for himself, doesn't try, doesn't make any substantial effort to get the ball when he's lost it. Give some of the other lads a go willing to put the work in.

Maddison 5 - Did some good things but needs to release the ball rather than trying to go round multiple players a little too often. Makes thing happens for other players but I'm worried his ego is expanding with all this attention.

Armstrong 5 - Tried, ran, scored a penalty. Needs more support and service. With Murphy in the team who never passes to him, we're only down to two other attacking players who can feed him.

Subs.
Rose 5 - Promising and want to see more.
JOB 5.5 - Gave it a good go as usual with a few stray passes. This guy needs to start, and in his desired position. He's a massive asset to the team under appreciated by TM.

Phillips 5 - Wasn't on very long, one decent shot.

TM 4 - Team selection needs to be better. Certain players need to be dropped and other more hungry players given a chance.
Good substitutions but Murphy shouldn't be given a chance every fucking time to play 90 minutes when he isn't trying.

Ref 3 - Worst I've seen in ages. How our player got sent off and they had almost no sanctions is laughable.

Lino 10 - Fabulous streches and the most entertaining part of the first half.
 

Otis

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RCC 5

Lorentzson 6

Ricketts 4

Ramage 2 - What the hell was that performance?

Stokes 5 - His worst game of the season, but again we gave him little support out left when he came forwards.

Bigi 4 - Some good stuff, a lot of bad stuff.

Vincelot 6 - Worked tirelessly, but desperately needed help.

Hunt 5

Maddison 6 - Our best stuff came through him.

Murphy 4

Armstrong 5

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Grendel

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RCC - 5 Mowbray never addressed the goalkeeping issue - the punch to be fair was a foul but he's struggling

Lorenzon - 6 other than the cock up in conceding a corner he looked ok

Stokes - 6 looks a bit tired but still better than most

Ricketts - 5 the bones are starting to creak

Ramage - 4 he got turned too easily and always looked vulnerable

Vincelot - 5 early season form but a memory

Bigiamara - 4 a career at rugby town beckons

Maddison - 6 he does look good at times and would look better in a team firing on all cylinders

Murphy - 4 ended up being shuffled all over the park - he's not effective unless out wide and his head is down when he's struggling

Armstrong - 5 he tried but not the movement we saw early in the season

Hunt - 2 sorry just don't bother again


The subs made little impression

Mowbray - 2 a total cluster fuck which he needs to sort

Ref - 10 for giving some an excuse for diverting from the real issues.
 

Kingokings204

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RCC- 4 as everyone says 2 inexperienced keepers here was always going to be a problem. He can't help the shit defending in front of him mind. Gets unfair stick sometimes.

Loretzen 3- sorry didn't do it for me. First game mind you.

Ricketts 4 - looks shaky without a commanding reda Johnson next to him.

Ramage 4 - gets a bad rap on here but the truth is he is just an average no nonsense defender.

Stokes 5 - great effort today and looks better than most.

Vincelot 5 - looked ok but bigi next to him did him no favors.

Bigi 3 - I don't mind bigi normally but today his stick is deserved rightly pulled off at HAlf time.

Hunt 3 - see Bigi

Maddison - 5 tried but kept getting kicked and marked out the game. A lesson for him.

Murphy - 4 few nice touches but had a bad few weeks now.

Armstrong 5- tried ever so hard but lack of service today. Penalty was only way he would of scored today.

JOB - 5 needs to start a game. Don't see why not to be honest.

Rose 5 looks decent and needs to start next game with fleck.

Ref was disgraceful and part of a long list of bad refs this year. Was in a par with the Sheffield United ref. That linesman who came on must be the biggest dick I've ever seen. How he ever ended up as a football linesman shows where football has gone very very wrong. He looked like my accountant. Pricks
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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Did you even go to the game today kingofkings?

You've given Ramage the joint highest rating and he was significantly worse than any other player on the pitch, I would say it was sunday league stuff but that would be insulting to the standard of Sunday league football.
 

Nick

Administrator
Did you even go to the game today kingofkings?

You've given Ramage the joint highest rating and he was significantly worse than any other player on the pitch, I would say it was sunday league stuff but that would be insulting to the standard of Sunday league football.

Bit random that Ramage gets 2 points more than Loretzon!
 

Kingokings204

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Bit random that Ramage gets 2 points more than Loretzon!

Yes I was there and to CCFC alright maybe a bit generous with ramage but he wasn't that bad and no worse or better than ricketts. Both of them have an error in them.

As for Lorentzen, I'm sorry he really didn't do it for me. Looked slow and out of position half the time. But as I also said it was his debut and clearly lacked full fitness.

No?

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Otis

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Yes I was there and to CCFC alright maybe a bit generous with ramage but he wasn't that bad and no worse or better than ricketts. Both of them have an error in them.

As for Lorentzen, I'm sorry he really didn't do it for me. Looked slow and out of position half the time. But as I also said it was his debut and clearly lacked full fitness.

No?
Ramage had loads of errors in him. Think there were three really horrendous ones.

I want to like the bloke, but he is so slow, not comfortable on the ball and he seems unable to win headers or have any control of which direction they travel in.

For me he was truly shocking. Ricketts was poor, but Ramage definitely a couple of points lower.

Lorentzson did do some good stuff. He just faded badly and I'm sure that's to do with fitness as much as anything else.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
Ramage had loads of errors in him. Think there were three really horrendous ones.

I want to like the bloke, but he is so slow, not comfortable on the ball and he seems unable to win headers or have any control of which direction they travel in.

For me he was truly shocking. Ricketts was poor, but Ramage definitely a couple of points lower.

Lorentzson did do some good stuff. He just faded badly and I'm sure that's to do with fitness as much as anything else.

Lorentzon and Rose both looked like they could be useful.
 

Del Boy 82

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RCC 5 nothing really clear cut to do, no a great deal he could of done with there goals. Lacking confidence now unfortunately
Stokes 6 one of our better players, so one footed tho. Reliable.
Ramage 3 made one good pass early on and a good sliding tackle to give the corner for second goal. The rest of game shocking.
Ricketts 3 another shocking performance from our captain. To slow on the ball, found wanting a few times. Positional play and defending is getting worse. As our most experienced defender he injects no confidence to those around him.
Lorentzson 5 some nice touches but looks off the pace and not really much better than Phillips. If only the corner when in
Vincelot 5 put himself about, shame he got sent off. Glad he clattered Williams but needed to lay low as it was clear he was gonna get a second yellow after.
Bigi. 2 think we all seen it..... Just wow no touch or pass. Free kick set the tone inside 5 mins.
Murphy 3 was he even there?? Missing and lacklustre, no movement. When running again didn't get out of second gear. Waste of talent.
Maddison 6 drew a few good shots and fouls. Busy in the first half. Took one to many touches for me when we could of countered with Armstrong breaking away.
Hunt 3 didn't have much impact at all. Tho no movement around him to open anything up. Another looking off the pace.
Armstrong 6 looked busy, again drew a few good saves. Unlucky at times, made some good runs of only played in
Rose 6 looked busy and looks like he could be a good asset if used well. Looks a beast, can he play CB???
O'brien 5 started like a bull, shock things up and started the drive. Faded quickly tho after there second.
Phillips 4 no time to impact, hit a fair shot tho.
We all know the back 4 are a issue, square pegs in round holes for too long unfortunately. Let's pray something opens up in the market quickly to solve this issue.
Confidence is running thin now. Set pieces are costing too much and maybe time for a change of tactics from 4231. Too many players under performing and off the pace. Is this really a wobble or a slump? We've not been fluent for 11 games or so.
 
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fernandopartridge

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RCC - 5 - Not really much to do, put a great through ball through in the first half, mixup in defence for the second meant he went out to get it.
Lorentzon -5 - Quite impressed with him in the first half getting forward,
Ramage - 3 - What the actual shitting hell is that all about? Didn't win anything in the air against their small strikers.
Ricketts - 4 - Not convinced, still does some silly shit.
Stokes - 7- Man of the match, his fitness is a credit to him as he was playing left back and out pacing 3 or 4 players towards the end. There was a bit where he was chasing the ball like the piggy in the middle and he gave it 100% to at least try. Actually looks like he wanted to win.
Vincelot - 5 - Was against a physical midfield, think he is a bit lost without Fleck.
Hunt - 4 - Ran a lot, nearly put their player clean through
Birigmana - 5 - I actually thought he played quite well, some of the passing was quite good. After he keeps arguing to take free kicks and then skies it he should hang his head.
Murphy - 4 - Brought nothing to the game, at one point JOB overtook him chasing a player. No effort, no end product. He could get away with a shit 80 minutes when he had an amazing 10 minutes.
Maddison - 5 People keep worrying about the Prem and Tottenham, their number 12 taught him a lesson about football today.
Armstrong - 5 - Good shot that brought a good save from their keeper. Good penalty. About it.

Subs

Rose - 5 - Think he should maybe be given a chance in the middle with Fleck next week. Chased everything down and seemed to keep it simple.
JOB - 5 - At least tried to make things happen
Phillips - NA - Not on for long.

Ref - Had no idea, kept slowing the game down. Was embarassing when he kept stopping RCC from passing to ricketts, to just tell him to move it half a yard. They were very physical all through the game, a lot of professional fouls where they just kicked feet away when players beat them

Mowbray - Not sure he realised we were 2-0 down when he brought Phillips on, why not bring an attacking player on.
Disagree on Murphy. He's the new Stern John. He still was one of our only players to get a shot on target.
 

fernandopartridge

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RCC- 4 as everyone says 2 inexperienced keepers here was always going to be a problem. He can't help the shit defending in front of him mind. Gets unfair stick sometimes.

Loretzen 3- sorry didn't do it for me. First game mind you.

Ricketts 4 - looks shaky without a commanding reda Johnson next to him.

Ramage 4 - gets a bad rap on here but the truth is he is just an average no nonsense defender.

Stokes 5 - great effort today and looks better than most.

Vincelot 5 - looked ok but bigi next to him did him no favors.

Bigi 3 - I don't mind bigi normally but today his stick is deserved rightly pulled off at HAlf time.

Hunt 3 - see Bigi

Maddison - 5 tried but kept getting kicked and marked out the game. A lesson for him.

Murphy - 4 few nice touches but had a bad few weeks now.

Armstrong 5- tried ever so hard but lack of service today. Penalty was only way he would of scored today.

JOB - 5 needs to start a game. Don't see why not to be honest.

Rose 5 looks decent and needs to start next game with fleck.

Ref was disgraceful and part of a long list of bad refs this year. Was in a par with the Sheffield United ref. That linesman who came on must be the biggest dick I've ever seen. How he ever ended up as a football linesman shows where football has gone very very wrong. He looked like my accountant. Pricks
[cringe]
 

stupot07

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Disagree on Murphy. He's the new Stern John. He still was one of our only players to get a shot on target.

Murphy's problem was mainly down to Mowbray playing him as a number 10 when the midfield was so congested. He just hasn't got a good enough touch when there's no space. I'm still surprise Mowbray didn't pull him out wide.


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Del Boy 82

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Murphy's problem was mainly down to Mowbray playing him as a number 10 when the midfield was so congested. He just hasn't got a good enough touch when there's no space. I'm still surprise Mowbray didn't pull him out wide.


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That's correct, and was at a point in the game when we had a few good chances to open them up down the left. Stokes has no one to play in, Maddison was too central, Murphy was to right of the pitch not offering much. If Murphy was playing in the left of the front three we'd of had a man to play in. Why are we not stretching teams anymore, only playing down the middle where it's to congested.
 

Nick

Administrator
Also noticed that before Maddison was turning players and driving forward. Now he turns them to face away from goal to play it back :(
 

Del Boy 82

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Also noticed that before Maddison was turning players and driving forward. Now he turns them to face away from goal to play it back :(

Yes guilty a few times today of taking a touch to many and turning back or inside when the forward ball to Armstrong was the ideal ball, slowed down a few counter attacks. Still learning his game and I think we've too higher hopes from what we want or expect him to do consistently
 

stupot07

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To be fair to Maddison he needs runners off the ball, we're far too static and too many of our players want the ball into their feet so they can turn and run and not into space to run on to and, Armstrong is just as guilty of that.


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Londonccfcfan

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RCC, How can a keeper still look so poor when he hasn't had a save to make??? His overall display is shocking.

Been saying for weeks he's the worst goalkeeper in the league By a million miles. Every fucking week the opposition keeper gives him goalkeeping lesson in how to command his area.

Burge isn't a great keeper by any stretch of the imagination. But I don't ever remember him being this bad.

He should have done better with the second goal. Hardly a bullet header.

RCC 4
Lorentszen - 6 decent debut
Ricketts - 6 I thought he had much better game today...assured on the ball.
Ramage - 3 Had a shocker. Should plainly retire after that performance.
Stokes - 6
Vincelot - 5
Bigi - 4
Hunt -4
Maddison - 6
Armstrong - 5 Not his usual self, poor first touch. Service was poor.
Murphy 5 - awful first half, much better in second.

Rose 6 - Was the one plus point, bigi s days are numbered.
JOB - 4 his worst performance in Cov shirt this season. Aimless blind passing.
 

rob9872

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I know he let himself down a bit when we had momentum in getting sent off, but looks like I'm the only one who thought vincelot was our best player. Worked really hard imo.

Rcc is worrying me, not the goals he let in, but the punch he made when he should be cleaning the attackers out to catch. Would love to see commanding keeper bollocking defence. Must breed worry into our shaky woeful back line of which either ramage or rickets or Martin need to play with an animal but not two together. Loretzon OK on the ball left gaps, stokes average but would def be playing higher if he had two feet as so predictable but is consistent.

Midfield vincelot playyed on his own, bigi dreadful. Hunt ineffective Murphy and madders in patches but not consistent (shit ref didn't help), arma had poor service worked hard but not really on it. Couple of decent shots still though and never gave up.

Of the subs job worked hard delivered little but I did like rose. Started really bright looked positive. Would like to see him start with fleck on Sunday, but more importantly would like us to sign experienced keeper and commanding centre half.
 

westofrayne

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RCC - 4 - Rabbit in headlights, slightly better than Southend but needs to be replaced before the next game, time out the team will do him good in the long run.
Lorentzon -5 - Looked comfortable with the ball, more to come from him.
Ramage - 4 - Bad game, need new center backs.
Ricketts - 4 - Accident waiting to happen.
Stokes - 6.5- Man of the match, at time looks like his running with e broom up is arse but keeps going and shows aggression, something the rest of the team don't have. Would prefer him at center back at the moment.
Vincelot - 5 - Lost without Fleck, Bigi plays too far away from him to be effective. Two defensive midfielders need to work as a pair not individually. As for our sending off, sorry but Vincelot needs to be fined for this, both were yellows and in between that giving the ref verbals only made the 2nd a lot easier to give.- very poor.
Hunt - 4 - Rushed around but no contribution to game.
Birigmana - 4 - Some of the passing was OK, but needs to play as a pair with Vincelot, until that happens wont be effective in the role.
Murphy - 4 - At no point did I think he was interested yesterday, game passed him by, especially when they started to to get physical.
Maddison - 5 OK in first half disappeared for most of the 2nd, yes he was kicked all over the place but has to learn to not get bullied. Oh yeah and how to tackle.
Armstrong - 5 - Shot and PEN ok but not much else

Subs

Rose - 5 - Needs more games under his belt.
JOB - 5 - Why was he sitting so deep, would have liked him to be charging at there back line
Phillips - Not on for long enough.

Ref - Oh my dear god, where did they get him from, would love to see the report from the stand for his display, if we were winning it would have been comical. When the lino had to go off the ref already knew this and so did the 4th official (mic'ed up), so why was the 4th official not stripped ready, doing his token stretches before the change - bad management by the ref. I'm not sure what totting up system he uses but on my count most refs would have booked at least 3 of there players in the first half and more in the second. As for the half yard move for the ball in the pen area, sorry but the ref needs to get a grip, in the first half we took a short free kick around 20 yards from where the infringement took place. In the 2nd half, just outside the area, ref paced the 10 yrds for wall, sprayed the line and let the defenders stand in front of the line, when he asked them to move they didn't but blew for the free kick to be taken - why????


Mowbray - Starting Maddy left Midfield - why?????. in the hours break in play to sort out the officials he should have had the whole team around him trying to sort it out, by that time we could all see where the game was going.
 

olderskyblue

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I find it surprising that Armstrong has been getting 5 or 6 on here. I thought he was very poor yesterday.
 

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