Alright Rocky, calm down!
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Just watched the highlights and can't believe RCC is getting so much stick for the first goal. The ball clearly takes a deflection off Stokes(?) and changes its direction. You see RCC having to move his hands at the last second, which is why the ball squirms away.
Yes, he could have done better with it but it's hardly like he's gifted Doncaster a goal there.
And the second goal is all on Fleck. All he has to do is turn away and travel with the ball up the field and he's out of danger. Instead, he plays it in the direction of their player!
Deflection on the first goal is negligible if at all, not at all a clear deflection. It should have been kept out.Just watched the highlights and can't believe RCC is getting so much stick for the first goal. The ball clearly takes a deflection off Stokes(?) and changes its direction. You see RCC having to move his hands at the last second, which is why the ball squirms away.
Yes, he could have done better with it but it's hardly like he's gifted Doncaster a goal there.
And the second goal is all on Fleck. All he has to do is turn away and travel with the ball up the field and he's out of danger. Instead, he plays it in the direction of their player!
Ridiculous to say the reason we drew was because of the forwards, it was because we gave away two horrendous goals. The majority of the fans know it, Mowbray will know it and RCC and Fleck will also know it also.One little cock up and the goalkeeping police on here are on the case, this is a kid playing his first season in competetive pro football kept about 50% clean sheets, made a couple of crucial saves at Bradford to help us gain a point, might have done better with the first goal but there was a bit of a deflection and had the ball come off him a couple of inches either way I doubt they would have scored. The main reason we dropped the two points was our forwards not converting our pressure into goals, our final ball yesterday was generally poor.
Deflection on the first goal is negligible if at all, not at all a clear deflection. It should have been kept out.
Second goal is Flecks mistake but the mistake came about because we were overplaying at the back with starts with the keeper as he wants to play possession football between himself and the back 4, just seen the second goal again and its worse than I remembered at the time, not at all a quick release like was claimed earlier in the thread.
Ridiculous to say the reason we drew was because of the forwards, it was because we gave away two horrendous goals. The majority of the fans know it, Mowbray will know it and RCC and Fleck will also know it also.
I'm very happy with how both Charles-Cook and Fleck have both performed this season but between them they cost us 2 points yesterday.
It is a deflection though, and he has a fraction of a second to move his hands and change his positioning. It's unfortunate more than it is bad play.
Are you really trying to say that Charles-Cook has made the decision for the entire defence to play out of the back? And not Mowbray?
tbh after years of a massive hoof, I find building from the back and possession refreshing. Give me the occasional error in exchange for a progressive approach, any time.
Completely missing the point, any top level keeper who play at the very highest level, i'm talking your arsenals, manchester uniteds and man cities of this world, their keepers know when to clear their lines and when to play it short, or when throw and when to kick it. If they choose to kick because the short ball is too high risk this doesn't make there team hoofball merchants and footballing dinosaurs, its this decision making what makes them such good keepers.tbh after years of a massive hoof, I find building from the back and possession refreshing. Give me the occasional error in exchange for a progressive approach, any time.
For me RCC not as bad as some say and Burge not as good as others would have us believe. 2 goalkeepers that are learning their trade. One is going the right way. One not advancing. The defence has faith in one but not the other.
Completely missing the point.
So how can you say one is not advancing when you haven't seen him play in a senior game for a couple of months?
You never know given a other chance he may come on leaps and bounds.
I remember the shit Demi used to get from City fans seems a good keeper now.
Just seems that Burge would have been crucified on here for that blunder?
Like I said the second is Flecks mistake but it came about because of overplaying it at the back of which Charles-Cook is guilty of, a goal like that has been waiting to happen since he came into the side.There are a lot crucifying RCC for yesterday and not just that 1st goal either, but the 2nd too, where it was very clearly Fleck's fault.
When RCC gave Fleck the ball Fleck wasn't tightly marked, it wasn't a hurried pass and Fleck had more than enough time to look up before he made the next pass. He could also have quite clearly just simply have give the ball back to RCC too.
If there is any blame at all for RCC for that 2nd goal, it has to be well less than 5% and probably not even 1%,
Charles-Cook is getting a lot of stick on here since the game. no doubt about it.
Yes he is and it not all justified. Same as with burge. As far as I remember no mistake of his led to an opposition goal this season. Nature of our fans...any mistake...and your cricified
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Like I said the second is Flecks mistake but it came about because of overplaying it at the back of which Charles-Cook is guilty of, a goal like that has been waiting to happen since he came into the side.
Charles-Cook has potential but also lots of things to work on, my hope is that he will learn from yesterday and it will make him into a better goal keeper. Some people seem to be happy for him to continue overplaying it in defence which will only invite more goals to go in like yesterday.
Like I said the second is Flecks mistake but it came about because of overplaying it at the back of which Charles-Cook is guilty of, a goal like that has been waiting to happen since he came into the side.
Charles-Cook has potential but also lots of things to work on, my hope is that he will learn from yesterday and it will make him into a better goal keeper. Some people seem to be happy for him to continue overplaying it in defence which will only invite more goals to go in like yesterday.
Errors in a young talented side are fine as long as you can see improvement and that they are trying to learn from said error. They shouldn't be ignored and swept under the carpet though.Hopefully oft and TM will be having a word and try to improve his decision making on when to play it out and when to go long. Also on Kent when to play the pass (and Armstrong and Murphy). Great youngsters all developing. Occasionally it is sublime but occasionally it leads to errors
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Oggy not oft
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Errors in a young talented side are fine as long as you can see improvement and that they are trying to learn from said error. They shouldn't be ignored and swept under the carpet though.
How dare you call Oggy an oft! You will be labelled as an Oggy hater if you're not careful!!
He's been a bonus really
At the start of the season you'd have suspected we needed an experienced keeper..
TM was prepared to see how it went and currently not too bad.
As long as we maintain Auto's, no problem, If on the other hand we tail off I wouldn't like to think of either playing In the knockout stages of the Play -offs.
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