Nick
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It's ok the ref saying they are 5 yards away but what about in stadiums when fans can see something is wrong and then replays confirm it, even though the ref was 5 yards away.
It's ok the ref saying they are 5 yards away but what about in stadiums when fans can see something is wrong and then replays confirm it, even though the ref was 5 yards away.Now that’s a perceptive question and I’m not surprised as you are both intelligent and love football
So if we are discussing a direct free kick the pundits and managers will say things like it’s an obvious or not an obvious free kick and use terms like he got the ball or anyone who knows football can see that’s a foul and if he gives a foul it has to be a rc or yc. Black white intuitive even. A reflex decision rather than the decision having considered the variables
Just for a dfk and sanction the question isn’t just he pushed him free kick or he pulled him or he tripped him it’s where is it on the pitch? It’s where is it during the game? It’s what sort of game it’s been and what proper game management constitutes as to the decision expected. There’s also a little of where the ref is have they seen it? Are they too close or too far away
So decision taken and ref should be able to say you pulled him or you tripped him or whatever it was and also both were battling so no foul or as at the start of the season football agreed to allow more physicality then push wasn’t forceful enough see the Gabriel incident
Then you come onto sanction. Again where was it for a denial of goal scoring or stopping a promising attack and then a measure of careless just a free kick reckless yc or excessive force or endangering an opponent rc
When observed refs have to answer why a decision and sanction was taken and should be able to.
I’ve watched as my lad has said to a coach for a last min pen. You were on the side of the pitch I was 5m away it didn’t hit the players hand I didn’t give a pen
Coach response - you bottled it lol
You can’t argue with it’s a yc you can argue with it was a yc as the tackle was reckless in my opinion
The participants are talking a different language
Then the ref has made a big mistake, it happens. Sadly happened against us quite a bit so far.It's ok the ref saying they are 5 yards away but what about in stadiums when fans can see something is wrong and then replays confirm it, even though the ref was 5 yards away.
Which means refs shouldn't really be giving it the "I was 5 yards away" attitude.Then the ref has made a big mistake, it happens. Sadly happened against us quite a bit so far.
I’m sure you had players who also took themselves too seriously. We can’t get enough referees in the first place which is how you end up with poorer quality at the top. So really it starts with changing things at the grassroots and being patient.Which means refs shouldn't really be giving it the "I was 5 yards away" attitude.
Playing Sunday mornings a few years ago you would often get refs who thought they were doing the champions League final and others who were on the same level as the players and just had a laugh.
It’s not so much giving it the I was 5 yards away proving a point but the nature of decision makingIt's ok the ref saying they are 5 yards away but what about in stadiums when fans can see something is wrong and then replays confirm it, even though the ref was 5 yards away.
Haven’t seen it I’m sorryI watched Gary O'Neil after match interview and thought his comments were very rationale considering what his team suffered last night and so far this season .Sooner or later decisions have to go his way on law of averages. The time it takes to make decisions with VAR involved and still they get it wrong.
"Headbutt not agressive enough" come on .What do you want blood everywhere ?By it's very nature a headbutt on a football pitch should be a sending off affair.Pete you know the rules better than me why did Ream not go when Wolves got their pen?
Managers fall by such bad decisions we are seeing more and more when refs. have all the technology at hand.
Gave some soft free kicks last 10 but overall thought he was goodGreat display tonight
I didn't think it was a genuine attempt but even a yellow card didn't appear he was booked in the first half .The head butt i've said enough about that.If you went tonight what were your thoughts on the linesman our side of the pitch.Haven’t seen it I’m sorry
Normally if it’s a genuine attempt for the ball it’s yc not rc in the box
It looked out but impossible for anyone on the pitch to be certain. Play to the whistle, great goal.
Linesman said it was only half out, those were the words of the plymouth manager.It looked out but impossible for anyone on the pitch to be certain. Play to the whistle, great goal.
Linesman said it was only half out, those were the words of the plymouth manager.
Not that his vision was obscured or he couldn't be sure, and linesman had the best view on the pitch and much better than some screen shots from TV from a very poor angle to judge.
Thought the ref was 85/100 tonightI didn't think it was a genuine attempt but even a yellow card didn't appear he was booked in the first half .The head butt i've said enough about that.If you went tonight what were your thoughts on the linesman our side of the pitch.
What specific points make you think that today?Surprised to see praise for the ref, thought he was awful.
And the linespersons even worse...Surprised to see praise for the ref, thought he was awful.
I’m beginning to think there isn’t actually some kind of conspiracy against us after last night.
yep, he did give a goal kick when it was a nailed on corner at one stageThe Ref and the lino on the side opposite the bench were awful.
Pretty sure at the start of the game one of our players kicked it out and he gave a goal kick.
And gave us two throws on the trot which were clearly Plymouth ballyep, he did give a goal kick when it was a nailed on corner at one stage
this is my point, it looks out and likely is out but there's no angle that says it is 100% outView attachment 32576View attachment 32577
A reminder of our decision against Hull a few years back .
Will never know without technology.
It's not miles out as the Plymouth fans are.
Hadji couldn’t tell if it went out so he just made sureWhen we put the ball in the net in that game whenever it was the technology didn't give it and we were stunned,that ball wasn't as far over so it wasn't out.
But there is an angle to show it 100% in. Check out and freeze the City Unseen videothis is my point, it looks out and likely is out but there's no angle that says it is 100% out
The Plymouth fans were possibly in the worst place to judge the decisionView attachment 32576View attachment 32577
A reminder of our decision against Hull a few years back .
Will never know without technology.
It's not miles out as the Plymouth fans are.
Not as bad as my view from the other endThe Plymouth fans were possibly in the worst place to judge the decision
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