Refugees welcome? (52 Viewers)

Sick Boy · Sep 4, 2015

The right-wing press group refuges and illegal immigrants into the same group. They then take it even further to dehumanise them by describing them as arriving in swarms and invaders.

The depressing thing is that people fall for it and they turn even more insular. Most of these people have never interacted with another culture. If I had it my way all school children would take part in a cultural exchange where they spend several months in another country mixing with other nationalities.

Nick · Sep 4, 2015

Sick Boy said:
The right-wing press group refuges and illegal immigrants into the same group. They then take it even further to dehumanise them by describing them as arriving in swarms and invaders.

The depressing thing is that people fall for it and they turn even more insular. Most of these people have never interacted with another culture. If I had it my way all school children would take part in a cultural exchange where they spend several months in another country mixing with other nationalities.

I find it refreshing when my daughter mixed with different races and people from different backgrounds. Recently we went away and she was talking to little girls of different races and of course kids will always ask questions as I doubt the little muslim girl had ever interacted much with girls like my daughter but they were on a roller coaster and were having fun!

However, my polish neighbors have a kid who is about 5 who only ever interacts with polish people and can't speak a word of English.

I disagree with things being limited to races or nationalities. Why does there need to be societies and clubs based on race or colour?

I have no issue with the kids in her class being different colors, races and religion as long as it doesn't harm her education like it does when you have kids in there who can't speak English, which is the fault of their parents. She made friends with a couple of polish girls in school who spoke perfect.English which I found amazing, there were others who had no clue.

Ian1779 · Sep 4, 2015

Sick Boy said:
The right-wing press group refuges and illegal immigrants into the same group. They then take it even further to dehumanise them by describing them as arriving in swarms and invaders.

Murdoch would have you believe that this is an issue about immigration. This is a humanitarian crisis on a parallel with famine or other type of natural disaster.

Harry Krishner · Sep 4, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I'd much rather deport the racists like you and let in double the number of refugees.

Just curious- how did you work out I am a racist?

Apologies to KG7- I thought you were stipulating that we all fly "refugees welcome" banners. I personally won't be.

WestEndAgro · Sep 4, 2015

Sick Boy said:
The right-wing press group refuges and illegal immigrants into the same group. They then take it even further to dehumanise them by describing them as arriving in swarms and invaders.

The depressing thing is that people fall for it and they turn even more insular. Most of these people have never interacted with another culture. If I had it my way all school children would take part in a cultural exchange where they spend several months in another country mixing with other nationalities.

Thank fuck you are not in charge.

Grendel · Sep 4, 2015

WestEndAgro said:
Thank fuck you are not in charge.

I guess with attitudes like yours any attempt at cultural awareness would be an excercise in futility.

Ian1779 · Sep 4, 2015

WestEndAgro said:
Thank fuck you are not in charge.

What is so wrong with the idea of some of it at least?

We should encourage interaction between different cultures and societies at an early age. That way tolerance and acceptance prevails over fear and ignorance.

torchomatic · Sep 4, 2015

Grendel said:
I guess with attitudes like yours any attempt at cultural awareness would be an excercise in futility.

He can't even spell his own usernamw correctly.

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ccfc92 · Sep 4, 2015

Nick said:
I find it refreshing when my daughter mixed with different races and people from different backgrounds. Recently we went away and she was talking to little girls of different races and of course kids will always ask questions as I doubt the little muslim girl had ever interacted much with girls like my daughter but they were on a roller coaster and were having fun!

However, my polish neighbors have a kid who is about 5 who only ever interacts with polish people and can't speak a word of English.

I disagree with things being limited to races or nationalities. Why does there need to be societies and clubs based on race or colour?

I have no issue with the kids in her class being different colors, races and religion as long as it doesn't harm her education like it does when you have kids in there who can't speak English, which is the fault of their parents. She made friends with a couple of polish girls in school who spoke perfect.English which I found amazing, there were others who had no clue.

Have to agree 100% with this.

There's a Polish guy who's just started at my work, and he said when he came here, he couldn't speak English. And he said it was actually very scary unable to communicate, and embarrassing.

He then took a business degree in English at college or Uni (can't remember which). This is what I admire.

If I moved to France, Spain etc, I would take extra effort to learn the native language, not just get by with the odd phrase.

Tonylinc · Sep 4, 2015

usernamw..........priceless!

ccfc92 · Sep 4, 2015

In answer to the thread, I honestly don't know.

I don't believe the solution is move Syrian citizens out of Syria to other countries. Where would this leave Syria? Could it become IS controlled, and the first IS country? On this, I have to agree with Cameron, in that to find a solution to the root of the problem, and help rebuild the country.

However, you see the thousands of desperate people risking their lives to get away from Syria, and obviously we as human beings should help.

I just simply don't know. And I don't believe anyone else does to be honest.

SBT · Sep 4, 2015

Nick said:
OK, so how do we help? What would happen? What does the UK need to do to be classed as helping?

Of course I agree people need to be helped, whether it is people dying in Syria, Africa, America or Spain. The question is how??

Surely the question is 'How long will it take for you to run out of rhetorical questions to conveniently justify your inaction'? I would list them all here but I literally don't have time to find them all.

Like I said before, you're taking the same approach to charity as the NOPM crowd do to watching City.

torchomatic · Sep 4, 2015

Tonylinc said:
usernamw..........priceless!

Nope. Sausage fingers.

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Nick · Sep 4, 2015

SBT said:
Surely the question is 'How long will it take for you to run out of rhetorical questions to conveniently justify your inaction'? I would list them all here but I literally don't have time to find them all.

Like I said before, you're taking the same approach to charity as the NOPM crowd do to watching City.

They aren't rhetorical are they? It's asking what action to take?

I do my bit for charity as does my wife, I've also worked at a charity so I may not be the most trusting of all of them.

Nick · Sep 5, 2015

Is hungary not safe? Why are they all leaving there too?

Gazolba · Sep 5, 2015

KG7 said:
A friend of mine is taking a van to Calais next weekend. I donated pencils, harmonicas, chairs, notebooks yesterday. Anything you can spare would be more than welcome, similarly she is raising cash.

Harmonicas, just what a starving Syrian wants!

Giving money, goods or food to poor people never helped anyone in the long run. They need to be taught how to earn their own money and grow their own food. Instead they are busy blowing up the ancient temples and destroying the tourism industry, one of their few sources of income. The result of what is happening now will be the destabilization of Europe, it has already started happening.

Gazolba · Sep 5, 2015

Nick said:
Is hungary not safe? Why are they all leaving there too?

Hungary does not give generous hand-outs. They all want to go to the countries that do.

Gazolba · Sep 5, 2015

Sick Boy said:
If I had it my way all school children would take part in a cultural exchange where they spend several months in another country mixing with other nationalities.

Pretty soon there will be no need for that. There wont be any schools in the UK that don't have a mix of nationalities and cultures.

Nick · Sep 5, 2015

KG7 said:
Here you go Nick:

https://www.fundsurfer.com/project/calais-action-brixtonsouth-london-drop-off

A friend of mine is taking a van to Calais next weekend. I donated pencils, harmonicas, chairs, notebooks yesterday. Anything you can spare would be more than welcome, similarly she is raising cash.

Most countries have problems but I can't think of any that we have that should prevent us from helping these desperate people by showing support at a football match.

Why are they at Calais then? If they were just wanting to flee for their lives why go so far? That's what I don't understand.

Gazolba · Sep 5, 2015

chiefdave said:
We lag way behind other European countries

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note that is applications, we have one of the highest rejection rates in Europe so you have to factor that in as well.

You could argue that the refugees should be allocated to the countries with most room i.e the lowest density of population.
On that basis, Russia should be the prime candidate with a population density of 8 people per square kilometre and having over 17 million square kilkometres, easily the largest in Europe and 70 times bigger than the UK. The UK and Germany having two of the highest densities in Europe should be among the last countries to be considered.

dutchman · Sep 5, 2015

Nick said:
Is hungary not safe? Why are they all leaving there too?

https://www.rt.com/news/314459-clashes-refugees-football-hungary/

Clashes erupt between refugees, football hooligans in Budapest

Clashes have broken out between refugees and football hooligans as the latter pelted smoke bombs and fireworks at the asylum seekers at the Keleti train station in Budapest. At least one person was injured before riot police intervened.
Refugees formed human chain between riot police and their comrades to stop the violence, he added. Police arrested a number of football hooligans.
Syrian refugees were shouting “Freedom, freedom, we want peace” as well as “Fascists!” at the radical football fans.
At least one person, a refugee, was injured in the clashes.

Sick Boy · Sep 5, 2015

Nick said:
Is hungary not safe? Why are they all leaving there too?

Isn't it a notoriously right wing country? A group of them had firecrackers launched at them the other day.

martcov · Sep 5, 2015

Sick Boy said:
The right-wing press group refuges and illegal immigrants into the same group. They then take it even further to dehumanise them by describing them as arriving in swarms and invaders.

The depressing thing is that people fall for it and they turn even more insular. Most of these people have never interacted with another culture. If I had it my way all school children would take part in a cultural exchange where they spend several months in another country mixing with other nationalities.

In Germany the Most anti Immigrant places are the ones with the least immigrants. As you say they have never interacted with another culture and have a fear of foreigners. I, like you, am an EU Migrant - we're ok though because we're British ( sarcasm ).

martcov · Sep 5, 2015

Nick said:
Is hungary not safe? Why are they all leaving there too?

No, not if you are a foreign refugee. Maybe not life threatening, but you will be treated badly. Germany is better and that is why they are coming to Germany. Our local paper ( Kieler Nachrichten ) has distributed a "Refugees welcome" poster with every copy. I won't be putting it in the window though - I have a pub and not all my guests are so welcoming. That ( poster distribution ) wouldn't happen in Hungary ( hope you can correct me ).

henry the wasp · Sep 5, 2015

martcov said:
No, not if you are a foreign refugee. Maybe not life threatening, but you will be treated badly. Germany is better and that is why they are coming to Germany. Our local paper ( Kieler Nachrichten ) has distributed a "Refugees welcome" poster with every copy. I won't be putting it in the window though - I have a pub and not all my guests are so welcoming. That ( poster distribution ) wouldn't happen in Hungary ( hope you can correct me ).

Germany is better? Lets hope they don't end up around Dresden , Leipzig etc.
Whereabouts is your pub?

Marty · Sep 5, 2015

Whats going on here?

[video=youtube_share;7L3eSbpETf8]https://youtu.be/7L3eSbpETf8[/video]

Anybody else surprised to see the amount of fit and healthy young men that should be back home fighting.

Personally, I don't think European countries should be taking in these people, set up refugee camps in neighbouring countries, protected/funded by the west.

Nick · Sep 5, 2015

Marty said:
Whats going on here?

[video=youtube_share;7L3eSbpETf8]https://youtu.be/7L3eSbpETf8[/video]

Anybody else surprised to see the amount of fit and healthy young men that should be back home fighting.

Personally, I don't think European countries should be taking in these people, set up refugee camps in neighbouring countries, protected/funded by the west.

arrogant pricks, the moment they do that is the moment they are chucked back.

Keep the aid for people who need it, they clearly don't

SBT · Sep 5, 2015

I believe that video is showing people refusing food and water after the train for which they'd bought tickets for had been prevented from leaving the station multiple times. They were unhappy that they'd been allowed to spend money on tickets that the Hungarian government had no intention of letting them use. So rejecting the aid from the same people was a matter of principle, rather than arrogance.

That said, I'm sure not everyone on the train agreed with taking that symbolic stance - as you can see from the little girl who does take some food.

Nick said:
They aren't rhetorical are they? It's asking what action to take?

I do my bit for charity as does my wife, I've also worked at a charity so I may not be the most trusting of all of them.

They are rhetorical really - you're not genuinely looking for answers, you're looking for excuses not to contribute. No matter how many of your questions get answered, you can always move the goalposts and point to another unknown factor that can justify your inaction. Why pretend that you'd run to the rescue if only you had more clarity? Why not just admit that you'd rather not help?

Grendel · Sep 5, 2015

Sick Boy said:
Isn't it a notoriously right wing country? A group of them had firecrackers launched at them the other day.

Yes mind blowingly racist. They have a fascist party which as part of its gambit says that the holocaust was a Jewish conspiracy - and they received 20% of the popular vote!

Nick · Sep 5, 2015

SBT said:
I believe that video is showing people refusing food and water after the train for which they'd bought tickets for had been prevented from leaving the station multiple times. They were unhappy that they'd been allowed to spend money on tickets that the Hungarian government had no intention of letting them use. So rejecting the aid from the same people was a matter of principle, rather than arrogance.

That said, I'm sure not everyone on the train agreed with taking that symbolic stance - as you can see from the little girl who does take some food.

They are rhetorical really - you're not genuinely looking for answers, you're looking for excuses not to contribute. No matter how many of your questions get answered, you can always move the goalposts and point to another unknown factor that can justify your inaction. Why pretend that you'd run to the rescue if only you had more clarity? Why not just admit that you'd rather not help?

I don't need an excuse not to, if I didn't want to I wouldn't straight from the off.

I'm asking questions to get answers, obviously

SIR ERNIE · Sep 5, 2015

Nick said:
Is hungary not safe? Why are they all leaving there too?

Hungary don't want them.

The majority of the Syrians were happy to seek refuge and settle in Turkey until Merkel announced that Germany would give them refuge, causing the stampede that's now taking place.

The Hungarian PM was correct, Germany has a lot to answer for.

SIR ERNIE · Sep 5, 2015

Grendel said:
Well I certainly have no issue if they come here.

Contrary to the popular believe Britain is not full.

I hardly see how that makes me the bitter one.

Yes it is.

Terry Gibson's perm · Sep 5, 2015

SIR ERNIE said:
Yes it is.

Not full but full enough.

chiefdave · Sep 5, 2015

Daily Mail hasn't changed much over the years.

Harry Krishner · Sep 5, 2015

Grendel said:
Yes mind blowingly racist. They have a fascist party which as part of its gambit says that the holocaust was a Jewish conspiracy - and they received 20% of the popular vote!

Good grasp of history there Grendel.

Hungary suffered terribly under the Ottoman Empire- as did Bulgaria and Greece- this may go some way to explaining their reluctance to accept a horde of Muslim immigrants.

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