Nick
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Yep, it needs that burden taken away from it. Have said that for years.
Even more so when it was sold to Wasps.
tbh the inevitability of all this (and it has been since ACL days) is that getting a deal that suits both interests, without one party taking advantage to an inordinate degree, is easier said than done.
It's why (philosophically!) can't help but agree we need a new ground.
I get that but if Wasps still have Hoffman in mind when negotiating things like this then it will impact it.
It was exactly the same during previous discussions when it was easy to predict Hoffman popping up every now and then.
"CCFC struggling to get a deal at the Ricoh, may need to move"
"Don't worry, Hoffman and Co have a lovely deal agreed"
Local Media: "SELL THE CLUB"
Fans: "THERES ONLY ONE, GARY HOFFMAN"
City fans mostly seem obsessed about ACL being distressed but not as many seem to have been concerned when it's their football club.
I think it is very important to quiz them if they still have other involvement. The fact the investigation last time was:
"Are wasps involved Gary".
"No Comment".
"OK Cheers lets leave it as that"
Tells you a lot.
Unfortunately Nick the only way I can see out of this is if we build a new stadium or the same owner controls both clubs. I’m struggling to believe we'll build a new stadium.
Then hope SISU are stubborn enough to build a stadium.Sounds like Italia, 2016.
"Let CCFC die and Wasps pick up the pieces"
Same as the “council want new owners” well no shit! People not liking working with Sisu is hardly breaking news! Wanting something and being able to deliver it are two different things though.
I don’t get the Hoffman issue, anyone is within their rights to try and buy the club but without Sisu selling it they won’t get anywhere. I know it plays into the personal drama people love, but realistically it doesn’t prove much. This idea that Wasps could force Sisu to sell is clearly for the birds. Sisu are here until they want to go.
Of course any potential bidder will want a deal at the Ricoh. Of course Wasps will be involved. I don’t rate Hoffman at all, but he’s be insane not to try and get them onboard and of course Wasps want the income from CCFC without the threat of legal action hanging over the Ricoh.
Same as the “council want new owners” well no shit! People not liking working with Sisu is hardly breaking news! Wanting something and being able to deliver it are two different things though.
I don’t see many people on here saying it’s all SISU. Council and wasps are massive dicks too but we are where we are.You also said that it was a conspiracy about Haskell when it was tried then.
The point is that Wasps could clearly try to pressure the club (they have done) thinking that it will force a handover to Hoffman. It was that obvious I pointed it out
I don't buy the whole "Hoffman only spoke to Wasps about getting a potential deal if he bought the club" either, not really enough to piss Overson off to the point he walks away is it?
Thing is, the Council were sticking their noses in well before SISU and fucking about with CCFC's future. Another important thing missed.
I don't doubt SISU are cunts but in their time with CCFC, most of the complaints about working with them are from CCC / Wasps / Higgs. There has been no issues with Northampon, BCFC, Ticketmaster, Sponsors, Players not getting paid, Allsop and Allsop, clubs we have done transfer deals with etc.
Now compare it to CCC and Wasps, Wasps have pissed off more organisations since moving here for starters and have publicly had PwC publicly tell Wasps to fuck off.
Look at how many people the Council have pissed off by being dicks (I don't just mean the everyday "my bins arent clean" shite).
Now, everybody is far too engrossed in the PR campaign that "It is all SISU, nobody can work with them" that the council spent so much on. I don't doubt that they are cunts but when you balance it all out......
I don’t see many people on here saying it’s all SISU. Council and wasps are massive dicks too but we are where we are.
Pfft they were going to be the biggest club in Europe now they had the Ricoh. Reminded me of our own Richardson.Sounds like Italia, 2016.
"Let CCFC die and Wasps pick up the pieces"
Or the oppositeSounds like Italia, 2016.
"Let CCFC die and Wasps pick up the pieces"
NoQuick question for Mark and Pete.
Did anyone from wasps respond to even acknowledge you're emails ? as I assume they dint give an answer to the question direct.
No
I did receive a reply to a text asking for a conversation before the first ccfc announcement on 25/7.
It read
Sorry I didn’t recognise the number until I checked. Don’t want to ignore you but can’t talk at this point I’m afraid.
I’ve been disappointed by the lack of engagement and desire to work together with us from wasps
Don’t get me wrong I get that I don’t support wasps and wasps board don’t need to care about ccfc supporters and their opinions towards wasps.
of course Wasps want the income from CCFC without the threat of legal action hanging over them
This is the bit I can’t get on board with. They want the football money but want us to pay through the nose for them to have it
No
I did receive a reply to a text asking for a conversation before the first ccfc announcement on 25/7.
It read
Sorry I didn’t recognise the number until I checked. Don’t want to ignore you but can’t talk at this point I’m afraid.
I’ve been disappointed by the lack of engagement and desire to work together with us from wasps
Don’t get me wrong I get that I don’t support wasps and wasps board don’t need to care about ccfc supporters and their opinions towards wasps.
They've asked us in the past not to do things through the press, but doesn't leave us much option when they just ignore us.
They've asked us in the past not to do things through the press, but doesn't leave us much option when they just ignore us.
They've just completely ignored us, to be honest. Annoyed me somewhat when they came out in the press suggesting Joy had instigated this as a diversion, despite them constantly ignoring us. Pleased that Simon Gilbert called them out on it. We've sent our follow on questions for him to chase, and also going to send to Tom Leach again.
Don't get why they'd have brought us back before at a reported £300k/yr is that's the case.
From my understanding the commercial terms are basically agreed, so CCFC must have got a decent deal. (At least decent enough for a short term return while the ground is built).
My general rule of thumb is to look at this from a business perspective and not think the owners are as emotional as the fans. Money talks.
Good work Mark.
I'm sure you've noticed that Bobby Bridge posted that in his article too:
"Wasps have responded to a call from Coventry City owner Joy Seppala to waive the non-disclosure agreement"
It's been pointed out to him multiple times that this is incorrect & makes Wasps' claims that she is defaming them & looking to distract fans completely false too.
For some reason though he's keen to ignore the facts & push his/Wasps view instead...
If you do get to speak to Tom/the Telegraph perhaps you could ask them to correct it?
They are supposed to present an unbiased view of the facts after all.
Good work Mark.
I'm sure you've noticed that Bobby Bridge posted that in his article too:
"Wasps have responded to a call from Coventry City owner Joy Seppala to waive the non-disclosure agreement"
It's been pointed out to him multiple times that this is incorrect & makes Wasps' claims that she is defaming them & looking to distract fans completely false too.
For some reason though he's keen to ignore the facts & push his/Wasps view instead...
If you do get to speak to Tom/the Telegraph perhaps you could ask them to correct it?
They are supposed to present an unbiased view of the facts after all.
Wasps have not spoken to us - they don’t need relationships with ccfc fans like Ccfc and Sisu do but it’s not good that they have been dismissive of us, not said they’d waive the nda and tried to make our genuine attempts as fans to move things forward into some political football (pun intended)
Doesn't look great really. And for a company that keeps such a close eye on its PR you have to assume they realise that but feel the danger of being properly questioned outweighs the negative PR.They've asked us in the past not to do things through the press, but doesn't leave us much option when they just ignore us.
Exactly why have talks at all if nothing had changed from last yearOne question of anyone can Answer please is
if the same issues exist to last year then why have months of decent negotiations been had for? Surely it’s the first thing you ask to save yourself the bother
Apparently the deal was "very very good" for Wasps that was "offered" by CCFC.
"Offered" struck me as a strange term to use, but suggests, as Boddy said, they did really want a deal.
Read my posts about what was said.
Wasps were shite to deal with and kept moving goalposts at the last minute and not respecting deadlines.
Why would they not want a deal?..... or was it games to get a better deal?...
..... or are others pressuring them too...... hmmmmmm
Doesn't look great really. And for a company that keeps such a close eye on its PR you have to assume they realise that but feel the danger of being properly questioned outweighs the negative PR.
Boddy has said for ages commercial terms aren't the issue. We agreed them last year and according to the club were 'very close' this year. Doesn't really tally with someone who doesn't want a deal does it?
I don't get the need to invent theories beyond what both sides have stated publicly are the issues? Both Sisu and Wasps agree the problem is the restriction of future legal activity. This is just nonsense 'Wasps/CCC are eeeeviillll and hate CCFC' which frankly doesn't deserve a response.
If Wasps don't want a deal, they can just not enter negotiations.
I'm sure I saw somewhere that he was a ccfc fan.... could be wrong though!Depends if Tom gets sent a free kit or not I guess
History shows CCC have actively worked against CCFC, even Pre-SISU.
I'm sure I saw somewhere that he was a ccfc fan.... could be wrong though!
Could we get mark Hornby / Tynan scope to send him a city strip to celebrate him passing his journalist exams and subsequently being tasked with reporting on ccfc??
The issue more is the way it was done, with stories fed to the press to get people excited when there was no real foundation to them.I don’t get the Hoffman issue, anyone is within their rights to try and buy the club but without Sisu selling it they won’t get anywhere. I know it plays into the personal drama people love, but realistically it doesn’t prove much. This idea that Wasps could force Sisu to sell is clearly for the birds. Sisu are here until they want to go.
Of course any potential bidder will want a deal at the Ricoh. Of course Wasps will be involved. I don’t rate Hoffman at all, but he’s be insane not to try and get them onboard and of course Wasps want the income from CCFC without the threat of legal action hanging over the Ricoh.
Same as the “council want new owners” well no shit! People not liking working with Sisu is hardly breaking news! Wanting something and being able to deliver it are two different things though.
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