Robins has to go… (9 Viewers)

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

Chris1987 said:
So you're saying that the problem is recruitment ( I do agree with this tbh) but there are many other issues too with team tactics and in game set up.

Well let's look at some of what we've spent

12.5 million roughly on EMC , Thomas, kitching and binks

3 were playing league 1 football , the cheapest we signed from Serie A , we can't defend

Collins and Dovin roughly 2 million - Ben Wilson is in goal

Ellis simms initial about 3.5 and can't trap a ball

Torp for roughly 2 million about as tough as my youngest daughter

That's 20 million pound roughly give or take

Are we saying that we couldn't have done more with the money , I.E smaller fees larger wages ?

northstander · Oct 5, 2024

I don't want Robins to go, but am getting increasingly worried his time may be coming to an end. I trust him to turn it around as he has done in the past, but think King will lose patience.

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

Chris1987 said:
Context required. Majority of those in the PL where money spent on ground improvements seriously hampered any transfer activity. I would be looking seriously to appoint him if Robins left

I mean the context for our end of season form last season is that the squad was tiny and we had a big cup run ? But fans keep adding it to our recent form

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Well let's look at some of what we've spent

12.5 million roughly on EMC , Thomas, kitching and binks

3 were playing league 1 football , the cheapest we signed from Serie A , we can't defend

Collins and Dovin roughly 2 million - Ben Wilson is in goal

Ellis simms initial about 3.5 and can't trap a ball

Torp for roughly 2 million about as tough as my youngest daughter

That's 20 million pound roughly give or take

Are we saying that we couldn't have done more with the money , I.E smaller fees larger wages ?

I assumed that based on what we did on limited funds we would be even more successful with more to spend. Turns out we just did what Stoke and longer ago Bristol City did.

MalcSB · Oct 5, 2024

Chris1987 said:
It's regarded as routine nowadays! Same with you , all the very best . Hopefully we could meet up at a game in future and compare surgery scars !

It’s routine for the surgeon, but not for you,

procdoc · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Well let's look at some of what we've spent

12.5 million roughly on EMC , Thomas, kitching and binks

3 were playing league 1 football , the cheapest we signed from Serie A , we can't defend

Collins and Dovin roughly 2 million - Ben Wilson is in goal

Ellis simms initial about 3.5 and can't trap a ball

Torp for roughly 2 million about as tough as my youngest daughter

That's 20 million pound roughly give or take

Are we saying that we couldn't have done more with the money , I.E smaller fees larger wages ?

We seemed to recruit better when shopping on a shoestring and bringing in loans really. We spent 2 million on Hamer and Gyokeres

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I assumed that based on what we did on limited funds we would be even more successful with more to spend. Turns out we just did what Stoke and longer ago Bristol City did.

But who is buying the players ? The manager says yes or no but that's nonsense he is being told that these players are good and what we've been scouting

wingy · Oct 5, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Problem is he’s been sucked into the same possession based shite that doesn’t suit the players he’s got.

There was certainly more passing out from the back, why did he leave an injured GK on the pitch anyway?

lewys33 · Oct 5, 2024

The players do have what it takes. We’ve seen it.

Cally Fedora · Oct 5, 2024

procdoc said:
Also our bad form goes back to last season. Our form has been relegation form. Something is clearly rotten

What is wrong is our defence. Cheap goal after cheap goal. We concede far too easily while the debate on Simms v Bassette rages we let in very poor goal after goal.

Sick Boy · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
But who is buying the players ? The manager says yes or no but that's nonsense he is being told that these players are good and what we've been scouting

I’m more worried about whoever is doing the negotiations.

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

lewys33 said:
The players do have what it takes. We’ve seen it.

We've seen it in some matches .

Even the worst teams win matches sometimes

procdoc · Oct 5, 2024

Cally Fedora said:
What is wrong is our defence. Cheap goal after cheap goal. We concede far too easily while the debate on Simms v Bassette rages we let in very poor goal after goal.

The defence has not been improved when we knew that was an area of weakness last season too

Marty · Oct 5, 2024

I think an experienced head would sort this lot out. Look at the way they were taking the sting out the game today, we were building pressure, then their players start going down with cramp. Not only cant we do the basis, we're as naive as it comes. Wright just looks on waving his arms as BTA is man handled to the floor. The team is soft and needs a proper hard bastard to control things.

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

Sick Boy said:
I’m more worried about whoever is doing the negotiations.

Well by the sound of darragh mac at posh , it's king

SkyblueTexan · Oct 5, 2024

Weeks ago when I voiced my concerns in noticing some alarming signs, I was booed and heckled with profanities by some of you (such as procdoc). However, I didn't reply in kind and chose the high road instead. Yet, it is interesting to note that some of these same people seem to be starting to sing a different tune.

As I said weeks ago, a pattern has been emerging as to how the poor form towards the end of last season has been carried forward into this season. The team has remained largely the same. So naturally you would expect to see improvement from thar and to build from how we tailed off dramatically last season. However, that has not happened. To me it seems like some players (e.g. Simms) have regressed tremendously, while I have doubts whether new signings like EMC are up to the required standard. Yet other like Rapha have still not showed up to the party. Though Sheaf is important, we cannot pin our poor form solely to his injury. The performances have largely been abysmal and disjointed (in MR's words) this season. The clean sheet and win vs Blackburn this week was an exception and not the norm and the team again failed miserably in trying to beat a Sheff Wed side that played a day later in midweek and has not won away this season until today.

Look Robins has been great for the last 7 years (don't get me wrong), but he's running out of excuses as to why we are losing games/points week in week out and are so easy to score against. I am not openly advocating for his dismissal, but things have to be looked at objectively in terms of the good of the club and how to take it forward. The issue I have with MR is that sometimes he's too nice and will not/cannot beat the shit out of his players to some results on the pitch. He seldom makes effectual changes during a match that impact the outcome and this season he's been outthought quite easily by opposing managers. In his defence though his limitations as a coach have been hampered by the recruitment policies of no loans, no purchases/loans of players in their late twenties/thirties, no midfield/defensive reinforcements but a plethora of attacking ones. To add to this perfect storm that is fast derailing this campaign are the hiring of the new Performance Director, her appointments of Boateng/Carr and the dismissal of Viveash. I honestly haven't seen anything of value contributed by this backroom staff that was going so well under the Adi/MR tandem.

We face Preston next who we never get a result against and they have shown great improvement of late winning 3-0 vs Watford and drawing 0-0 away to Burnley. So things don't look promising for the team or MR.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
But who is buying the players ? The manager says yes or no but that's nonsense he is being told that these players are good and what we've been scouting

His job never has been to scout players? But we do know he was very insistent on Kitching and now doesn’t particularly rate him. He saw a full season of Binks before oking the signing.

MR does have to take his share of accountability for some of these decisions

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

We could have signed callum O hare for 25,000 a week for 4 years and it would have cost 5.2 million

kitching alone with wages must be close to 7

procdoc · Oct 5, 2024

SkyblueTexan said:
Weeks ago when I voiced my concerns in noticing some alarming signs, I was booed and heckled with profanities by some of you (such as procdoc). However, I didn't reply in kind and chose the high road instead. Yet, it is interesting to note that some of these same people seem to be starting to sing a different tune.

As I said weeks ago, a pattern has been emerging as to how the poor form towards the end of last season has been carried forward into this season. The team has remained largely the same. So naturally you would expect to see improvement from thar and to build from how we tailed off dramatically last season. However, that has not happened. To me it seems like some players (e.g. Simms) have regressed tremendously, while I have doubts whether new signings like EMC are up to the required standard. Yet other like Rapha have still not showed up to the party. Though Sheaf is important, we cannot pin our poor form solely to his injury. The performances have largely been abysmal and disjointed (in MR's words) this season. The clean sheet and win vs Blackburn this week was an exception and not the norm and the team again failed miserably in trying to beat a Sheff Wed side that played a day later in midweek and has not won away this season until today.

Look Robins has been great for the last 7 years (don't get me wrong), but he's running out of excuses as to why we are losing games/points week in week out and are so easy to score against. I am not openly advocating for his dismissal, but things have to be looked at objectively in terms of the good of the club and how to take it forward. The issue I have with MR is that sometimes he's too nice and will not/cannot beat the shit out of his players to some results on the pitch. He seldom makes effectual changes during a match that impact the outcome and this season he's been outthought quite easily by opposing managers. In his defence though his limitations as a coach have been hampered by the recruitment policies of no loans, no purchases/loans of players in their late twenties/thirties, no midfield/defensive reinforcements but a plethora of attacking ones. To add to this perfect storm that is fast derailing this campaign are the hiring of the new Performance Director, her appointments of Boateng/Carr and the dismissal of Viveash. I honestly haven't seen anything of value contributed by this backroom staff that was going so well under the Adi/MR tandem.

We face Preston next who we never get a result against and they have shown great improvement of late winning 3-0 vs Watford and drawing 0-0 away to Burnley. So things don't look promising for the team or MR.

Yeah I ain’t reading all that

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
We've seen it in some matches .

Even the worst teams win matches sometimes

Even Derby’s record breaking PL team managed a win

Mucca Mad Boys · Oct 5, 2024

Chris1987 said:
There is a problem though- it's not the last 9 games it's the last 20 . What's a good measure of time 20 , 30 , 40 games ?
Admittedly the variables have altered ( ie coaching etaff ) but this decline has been far longer than you are indicating

You’ve just said it, the variables have changed so you need to wait to see what that impact is. End of last season was completely different too, we’d ran out of steam after a tough FA Cup run (small squad) and on top of that, mostly top 7-8 teams.

Robins has been honest in saying the coaches need to find their feet and likewise with new signings. If we take stock of the team, there are obvious weaknesses that haven’t been addressed. We’ve invested ‘x’ amount in the team yet the personnel we have in midfield is unchanged from our first season in the championship bar Torp.

Saddlebrains · Oct 5, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I agree. Which tells me it’s not just the players.

It also tells me that King has to own what’s gone on.

He wont though he's a prick

Cally Fedora · Oct 5, 2024

procdoc said:
The defence has not been improved when we knew that was an area of weakness last season too

It’s been a weakness for all of last season and all of this. It’s not so much about the defence, it’s how the layer in front is set up.

fernandopartridge · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
I mean the context for our end of season form last season is that the squad was tiny and we had a big cup run ? But fans keep adding it to our recent form

The league form had stuttered a bit before then. Remember the 3-0 home defeat to Preston? Or the poor performance in the big game at West Brom.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 5, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
He wont though he's a prick

Everybody at the club has made mistakes to lead to this situation. King sure has, but today was the first time I’ve come away thinking that Robins doesn’t know what he’s doing.

Problems all over the pitch and the shape doesn’t change, nor do the personnel. Collins binned off after not even a whole season between the sticks, Dovin binned off after not even 10 games. Bassette dropped because he said on the pitch what any fan watching is thinking. Collectively these 3 players cost us millions yet they’re being treated like shit barely after signing.

And to crown it all off, we’ve given all of these players except Sakamoto long term contracts so we’re stuck with them. At this rate only MVE will return a profit and we have to hope that somebody buys Vik in the summer.

Flying Fokker · Oct 5, 2024

AFCCOVENTRY said:
With a heavy heart but I’m sorry but that’s enough.

Robins been brilliant for our rise through the lower leagues but this is a step too far from him now. It’s sad to seem him struggle like this with the so called most expensive squad ever.

He clearly can’t get this squad to get results. Tactically he’s all over the place and yes some players need to step up, but it’s up to the manager to motivate them. They’re not listening to him and that is a huge warning.

People don’t want to include last season but the reality is apart from that FA cup run the 2nd half of last season was average. Our play off season was built on 2 superstar players in Vik and Gus with the crux of an old school type of squad.

Our home form and CBS was meant to be our fortress. Now teams can come here for an easy 3 points.

Mark’s interview just now is repetition of other poor performances. He can’t say we’re a good team if we keep losing like this. He’s making bizarre team selections especially at the back. Kitching and Wilson for example shouldn’t be anywhere near the team. In the end he threw them all under the bus anyway.

Maybe these players aren’t as good as we thought they would be but they should be collectively doing better.

Buck stops with him, he’s too stubborn to change things with formation or go change it up positively. We are so predictable opposition mangers must be laughing. There’s a danger this turns into a horrendous season. We should be improving game on game, not getting worse.

Time for a change in my opinion and this isn’t for people to have a go at each other, but we won’t see the next step change on the pitch without a fresher, more tactically astute manager.

So, who you going to replace him with?

skybluecam · Oct 5, 2024

Players aren't the problem IMO. I think on talent alone this squad is easily somewhere between 4-8th in the league.

Marty · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Well let's look at some of what we've spent

12.5 million roughly on EMC , Thomas, kitching and binks

3 were playing league 1 football , the cheapest we signed from Serie A , we can't defend

Collins and Dovin roughly 2 million - Ben Wilson is in goal

Ellis simms initial about 3.5 and can't trap a ball

Torp for roughly 2 million about as tough as my youngest daughter

That's 20 million pound roughly give or take

Are we saying that we couldn't have done more with the money , I.E smaller fees larger wages ?

Torp is like the tin man from the wizard of oz. No heart.

fernandopartridge · Oct 5, 2024

procdoc said:
We seemed to recruit better when shopping on a shoestring and bringing in loans really. We spent 2 million on Hamer and Gyokeres

That stupid dickhead King and his aversion to loans also misses that they've been hugely successful trials for subsequent signings

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
The league form had stuttered a bit before then. Remember the 3-0 home defeat to Preston? Or the poor performance in the big game at West Brom.

Well the reality is we lost 5 league games between November 11th and April 6th winning 14

We won 4 from the next 5 after West brom

We truly fell of in the final 6 matches

Evo1883 · Oct 5, 2024

skybluecam said:
Players aren't the problem IMO. I think on talent alone this squad is easily somewhere between 4-8th in the league.

Individually good but lacking certain traits in particular areas of the pitch to succeed

Bristol sky blue · Oct 5, 2024

Seems a lot of people have written Robins off already... prematurely in my view... key issue at the moment is conceding goals through lack of concentration / willingness to track runners.

A bit shocked at how eager some of our fans are to throw Robins under the bus... Currently, I would have faith in him to turn things around rather than any of the (realistic) alternatives mentioned on here.

However, one big concern is signs that some players don't appear to give much of a fuck ATM. That is a big worry for any manager, no matter how good their track record...

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 5, 2024

Dovin thrown under the bus after not doing anything wrong then gets to watch Wilson pass it to the opposition anyway. Bad career move for him and Bassette that’s for sure.

Nuskyblue · Oct 5, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Sure , but he's lost 17 of Luton last 24 games in the league

Most of those games were in the premier League with a squad that probably cost less than ours to be fair. He did brilliantly to get them there.

MalcSB · Oct 5, 2024

Matt smith said:
I’m not saying we won’t be, but how do you know we’re going to be fine?

He probably woke up this morning and felt it.

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