Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Isn't that the very thing the first team is missing at the moment, with Godden out?
Isn't that the very thing the first team is missing at the moment, with Godden out?I think he's just one of those players that will be fairly anonymous for 90 minutes but will happen to pop up with a goal or two.
I look forward to my callup at the weekend, then, to see if I'm the goalscoring centreforward we need.But how did we find out those players weren't up to it? By giving them a chance.
Isn't that the very thing the first team is missing at the moment, with Godden out?
If he's not going to play when we arguably have one fit striker who is run into the ground, we should have loaned him out to league 2/conference, anyone to see what he's got. At 21 for me, it's pointless him being here now just to secure an u23s title that, in my limlited understand, means near enough nothing other than pride.I think there's a massive difference between popping up with the odd goal in the U23s and being able to replicate that in the Championship. Baring in mind he's playing against 17/18/19 year olds week in week out in the U23s - many of which probably won't play at a particularly high level in the game and some may even stop playing altogether in a few years time.
Equally what you've got to remember is that Tavares is 21 and as such considered one of the more senior players in the U23s with more experience at the level than many of his opposition, which undoubtedly will give him a slight edge. Which is why unless the player is 17/18 and scoring at a similar rate I don't particularly take much notice of their scoring record in the U23s.
Sure. Just bring proof of the U23's games you played and scored in.I look forward to my callup at the weekend, then, to see if I'm the goalscoring centreforward we need.
So what you want is me to bring proof of scoring goals at a level we're not playing at, as justification that I might be good enough... because we won't know until we try?Sure. Just bring proof of the U23's games you played and scored in.
If he's not going to play when we arguably have one fit striker who is run into the ground, we should have loaned him out to league 2/conference, anyone to see what he's got. At 21 for me, it's pointless him being here now just to secure an u23s title that, in my limlited understand, means near enough nothing other than pride.
I'd assume the logic with him and Reid is it's of more benefit keeping them around to try and coach the areas they're lacking into them, then send them off to do OK, but not really improve as we need them to.He might well feature in the coming weeks, that's something I can't really predict. But I suspect unless Waghorn/Gyokeres become injured between now and by the time that Godden returns from his recovery then evidence suggests he probably won't.
As you say he probably should've been loaned out to a NL/L2 side as he's been here a year now and is still plying his trade in the U23s - which I think if anything is regressing his prospects of a decent career.
We’ve I think managed 22 points in tbe last 19 games - the flying start and Derby point reductions have masked what we have - a relegation team
I'd assume the logic with him and Reid is it's of more benefit keeping them around to try and coach the areas they're lacking into them, then send them off to do OK, but not really improve as we need them to.
If he's not going to play when we arguably have one fit striker who is run into the ground, we should have loaned him out to league 2/conference, anyone to see what he's got. At 21 for me, it's pointless him being here now just to secure an u23s title that, in my limlited understand, means near enough nothing other than pride.
Despite us being 15th in the table in the last 20 game form ? 12 points clear of relegation
So you're wrong aren't you ? There's 9 teams worse
Including West brom (must be a relegation squad )and Stoke who are on the same points
We're closer to the playoffs in the last 20 games( 10 points ) than we are from relegation (12 points )
Apart from this season obviously, as there's many worseExtrapolate that over a season and it’s 53 points so yeah it’s a relegation threatened season
Yes but those players are only 50% of the player that Gyro is. A tired Gyro is still a better option. The reality is we have a small budget and hence have a small squad.Someone said the same to me a few years back and it made me look at the tiredness issue in a new light.
Gyokeres at 98% v 100% Aiden Flint is a bigger difference than Shmmee at 98% v 100% Sheafisgod.
the reasoning used is frustrating becuase he has the likes of Jones and Tavares on the bench presumably at 100% and not even giving them 10 minutes when Gyokeres is clearly shattered
Yes but those players are only 50% of the player that Gyro is. A tired Gyro is still a better option. The reality is we have a small budget and hence have a small squad.
There are staff to asses players and advise against playing players when too tired. It’s risk management isn’t it? We’re trying to win the game so need our best players on the pitch as much as possible.What if forcing him through 2 games a week causes an injury and we have no Gyo at all?
There are staff to asses players and advise against playing players when too tired. It’s risk management isn’t it? We’re trying to win the game so need our best players on the pitch as much as possible.
Even I could see he was injuredWho assessed that Dabo was fit to stay on in the Cup?
Alright GrendelWho assessed that Dabo was fit to stay on in the Cup?
Alright Grendel
Yes but how can I answer that question and what does it have to do with my point?What? You were at that game right?
Yes but how can I answer that question and what does it have to do with my point?
No, my original point, to which you answered with a tangentially related question which I obviously can’t answer because I have no knowledge of what the conversation was between the staff which resulted in Dabo playing while injured.Your point is that I am Grendel? Laughable
No, my original point, to which you answered with a tangentially related question which I obviously can’t answer because I have no knowledge of what the conversation was between the staff which resulted in Dabo playing while injured.
Yes agreed, but that echoes what I said about risk management and trying to keep our best players on the pitch in a thin squad.The point there is that if the player himself knew he wasn’t fit, everyone could see he was struggling, then either the physios concluded the same and were ignored by management or they couldn’t tell he was injured.
To be honest both scenarios concern me but the former seems more probable because we were obviously that desperate not to put Reid on the pitch
Yes agreed, but that echoes what I said about risk management and trying to keep our best players on the pitch in a thin squad.
Sure, but my original point was about Gyro in league games, who isn’t playing through an injury.And echoes what I have said in that if such measures result in an injury keeping the player out for a long time then it’s counterproductive.
Especially when it wasn’t even a league game.
Sure, but my original point was about Gyro in league games, who isn’t playing through an injury.
If you’re making a general point that Robins over used players and causes injuries then I think you need more examples and I would point you back to my original point about risk management, medical staff having an input and the fact we have a very thin squad.
Sure, but my original point was about Gyro in league games, who isn’t playing through an injury.
If you’re making a general point that Robins over used players and causes injuries then I think you need more examples and I would point you back to my original point about risk management, medical staff having an input and the fact we have a very thin squad.
And then we truly are fuckedGyo has been mismanaged before after being played after being scythed down at Blackburn. He was clearly carrying something but was played anyway.
Take it to now, he isn’t injured but looks jaded and is being asked to lead the line all game long twice a week. If we continue with that he’s going to pick something up sooner rather than later.
Yeah, agreed. But we are where we are.we only have a thin squad as we started the season with players who were never going to be in the first team but in the first team squad
Yes, possibly, but as I said we have a thin squad and need to get everything out of what we have.Gyo has been mismanaged before after being played after being scythed down at Blackburn. He was clearly carrying something but was played anyway.
Take it to now, he isn’t injured but looks jaded and is being asked to lead the line all game long twice a week. If we continue with that he’s going to pick something up sooner rather than later.
I love that you've respond to that accusation in an incredibly Grendelesque way.Your point is that I am Grendel? Laughable
And Stevie WonderEven I could see he was injured
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