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cc84cov

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #176
Greggs said:
i think we have a squad that are capable of performing far better than anything we've seen in months.
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Even robins admitted we are a mid table team with better away form He should of gone in jan
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #177
MR's comments are totally baffling and at odds to what's going on on the pitch.

If he's truly wanting them to be more attacking why is he filling the team with defensive minded players, esp in midfield? Why do we seem to come out after half time in games we're doing quite well in and become more like we're playing for the draw than trying to win?

If the team aren't following instructions why isn't he on the touchline telling them what he wants them to do instead? If the team was so poor yesterday why not make HT changes to make a statement of his discontent?
 
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cc84cov

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #178
stupot07 said:
It really shows how poor our recruitment has been this season.


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Shockingly bad I would fuck Chris “coup” Badlan off as well
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #179
stupot07 said:
It really shows how poor our recruitment has been this season.


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It doesn’t help than one of our best signings is injured and two of the others were on the bench, but yeah.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #180
Grendel said:
So if you are a manager whose inherited players on large contracts from a previous manager and have no money to spend on new players have you a bigger budget than someone who can spend £2.5m on new players in the close season?
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Yes but you still have certain players , Sunderland an example aiden mcgeady who are already at or above the level you are playing at .
 

cc84cov

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #181
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
MR's comments are totally baffling and at odds to what's going on on the pitch.

If he's truly wanting them to be more attacking why is he filling the team with defensive minded players, esp in midfield? Why do we seem to come out after half time in games we're doing quite well in and become more like we're playing for the draw than trying to win?

If the team aren't following instructions why isn't he on the touchline telling them what he wants them to do instead? If the team was so poor yesterday why not make HT changes to make a statement of his discontent?
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He’s lost the plot is what your witnessing
 
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Greggs

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #182
cc84cov said:
Even robins admitted we are a mid table team with better away form He should of gone in jan
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Away form is another red flag. Shows the manager can't adapt
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #183
shmmeee said:
Which squads do you think we have similar quality players to?
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Wycombe, Rotherham, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Luton, Millwall I have t seen them but I suspect Preston are no great shakes either. Oh and Birmingham
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #184
Grendel said:
Sundeland entered the league with a £40m wage bill so that’s a big budget isn’t it?
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It's huge but they are a club who are working backwards with their wage bill trying to reduce it ..

Remember how many levels we dropped when we reduced our wage bill gradually over 10 years ...pretty sure we went to the bottom tier ...

Sunderland have also just been taken over
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #185
Evo1883 said:
It's huge but they are a club who are working backwards with their wage bill trying to reduce it ..

Remember how many levels we dropped when we reduced our wage bill gradually over 10 years ...pretty sure we went to the bottom tier ...
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There are several clubs in the championship with the same problem aren’t there?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #186
Evo1883 said:
You realise that if the club stay up you won't get that wish?
So there's little point banging the drum .
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Please God don't encourage him to keep banging it in any way. It wouldn't be so bad if he found different ways to say it!
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #187
Grendel said:
There are several clubs in the championship with the same problem aren’t there?
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Yes ..but as mentioned many of them already have good players on high wages ..they've added players on less money .

I mean these teams still have some quality in their ranks to begin with

Even Sheffield Wednesday who have been so mismanaged in the last 3 or 4 years since missing out in the playoffs
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #188
Evo1883 said:
Yes ..but as mentioned many of them already have good players on high wages ..they've added players on less money .

I mean these teams still have some quality in their ranks to begin with

Even Sheffield Wednesday who have been so mismanaged in the last 3 or 4 years since missing out in the playoffs
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But if robins is as good as you claim he should over achieve his budget position or he’s just average then?
 
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Frostie

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #189
Deleted member 5849 said:
Please God don't encourage him to keep banging it in any way. It wouldn't be so bad if he found different ways to say it!
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He's been banging it for 4 years, since the League Two season. Whenever Robins does leave be it this year, next year or in 10 years time he'll ignore everything achieved & still claim he was right all along.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #190
Grendel said:
But if robins is as good as you claim he should over achieve his budget position or he’s just average then?
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Overachiveing our budget position ...would be us finishing 21st or 22nd .

Staying up would be financially over achieving .

Survival will give us a real chance to kick on ...I'm absolutely positive mark Robins said that himself recently
 

Frostie

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #191
Grendel said:
But if robins is as good as you claim he should over achieve his budget position or he’s just average then?
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He is?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #192
Evo1883 said:
Overachiveing our budget position ...would be us finishing 21st or 22nd .

Staying up would be financially over achieving .

Survival will give us a real chance to kick on ...I'm absolutely positive mark Robins said that himself recently
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To kick on we need a new manager
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #193
The only way this club shows an immediate kick on is if we get substantial investment , otherwise we are looking at trying to improve gradually over several years
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #194
Frostie said:
He is?
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His overall management record is average and finishing 6th in league 2 is pretty average

He’s had one very good season with us and a couple at Rotherham
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #195
Grendel said:
To kick on we need a new manager
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Because there's loads of managers out there who can take this club to the mid - higher reaches of the championship with a 4-5 million pound budget .

It's not 2001
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #196
Evo1883 said:
Because there's loads of managers out there who can take this club to the mid - higher reaches of the championship with a 4-5 million pound budget .
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Our wages alone were higher than that in league 2
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #197
Grendel said:
Our wages alone were higher than that in league 2
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No they weren't at all
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #198
Grendel said:
Wycombe, Rotherham, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Luton, Millwall I have t seen them but I suspect Preston are no great shakes either. Oh and Birmingham
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3 of them are below us and Luton have Collins on the bench who would walk into our side, (looks like he's leaving there and I would target signing him).
I suspect blues and Derby have much bigger budgets yet Blues are in the relegation scrap with us and Derby not far above it.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #199
Evo1883 said:
No they weren't at all
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It was once £4.6 wasn’t it and £5.2 the following season in league 1? Since then we’ve signed Mcfazdean Allen Godden o hare Marosi jonello hamer Walker Kastaneer also wage increases in contracts tied to promotion - our wheat fees in the promotion season were some of the highest
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #200
Evo1883 said:
Because there's loads of managers out there who can take this club to the mid - higher reaches of the championship with a 4-5 million pound budget .

It's not 2001
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£4-5m? We’ve spent £2m on Walker and Hamer alone?
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #201
Grendel said:
It was once £4.6 wasn’t it and £5.2 the following season in league 1? Since then we’ve signed Mcfazdean Allen Godden o hare Marosi jonello hamer Walker Kastaneer also wage increases in contracts tied to promotion - our wheat fees in the promotion season were some of the highest
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I mean to have a wage bill of 5.4 million you'd have to have 26 players on 4000 a week .
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #202
Evo1883 said:
I mean to have a wage bill of 5.4 million you'd have to have 26 players on 4000 a week .
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I got my years mixed up it was £4.7m before we signed those players it will be close to £10 million now as a guess
 

Frostie

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #203
Ours was £5.2m in the 2019 accounts (less than Southend, Scunthorpe, Fleetwood etc.) whilst same year...

Derby £46.8m
Sheff Wed £42.4m
Forest £36.3m
Birmingham £32.8m
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #204
Grendel said:
I got my years mixed up it was £4.7m before we signed those players it will be close to £10 million now as a guess
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You think our wage bill is close to 10 million

No wonder you're so angry about Robins
 
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Super Graham Withey

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #205
Evo1883 said:
I mean to have a wage bill of 5.4 million you'd have to have 26 players on 4000 a week .
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Our wage bill in League 2 was £4/£5m. I'd say it's around £8/£9m now. To put this in context Millwall's wage bill last season was around £16m, Preston's around £18m. My guess is that our wage bill is higher than that of Wycombe and Rotherham, maybe on a par with that of Barnsley and possibly Luton and considerably below anyone else in The Championship.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #206
Frostie said:
Ours was £5.2m in the 2019 accounts (less than Southend, Scunthorpe, Fleetwood etc.) whilst same year...

Derby £46.8m
Sheff Wed £42.4m
Forest £36.3m
Birmingham £32.8m
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Which proves wage bills have not a huge factor in league position

At last you are seeing the light
 
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Frostie

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #207
Grendel said:
Which proves wage bills have not a huge factor in league position

At last you are seeing the light
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It proves that we're massively overachieving
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #208
Frostie said:
Ours was £5.2m in the 2019 accounts (less than Southend, Scunthorpe, Fleetwood etc.) whilst same year...

Derby £46.8m
Sheff Wed £42.4m
Forest £36.3m
Birmingham £32.8m
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Worth noting that the sites that give you that information will be based solely on player wages ... I'm assuming our wage bill touted isn't just player wages but every single wage at the club right down to the ticket office lady
 

Frostie

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #209
Evo1883 said:
Worth noting that the sites that give you that information will be based solely on player wages ... I'm assuming our wage bill touted isn't just player wages but every single wage at the club right down to the ticket office lady
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That's from each of their published accounts.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 3, 2021
  • #210
Grendel said:
Which proves wage bills have not a huge factor in league position

At last you are seeing the light
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3 of those 4 sides recently pushed for promotion , hence the larger wage bills .

You can't (in blues case ) count for terrible mismanagement
 
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