Robins to Stoke? (1 Viewer)

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 30, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Fulham enhanced Coleman's reputation because he had huge funding. Gareth Bale enhanced Coleman's reputation by often being a class above everyone else on the pitch and having a moment of magic to gloss over Coleman's ultra-negative tactics.

Fulham enhanced Coleman's funding because he bumped a club that under Tigana was going down, and did alright despite the funding given to Tigana being cut. Wales enhanced his reputation because they qualified for a major tournament and did well.

The other jobs haven't enhanced his reputation, because he's done badly.

Now, there are extenuating circumstances at many clubs... including Stoke! But Nathan Jones is hardly likel;y to be spoken of when the jobs at the top of the Championship come knocking. it's not exactly boosted his career.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 30, 2019

It is a fear he will be being noticed and sounded out. Given how it turned out last time he left and he seems to do well here I think he'll be more reluctant to leave this time, but a huge increase in wages can sway almost anyone.

I don't know how long his contract is for but of everyone at he club inc players I'd want his future to be the most secure. Also gives him and the players the knowledge of who has the power in this situation. Any compensation due should eclipse any of the transfer fees we've got for players too because of his importance to us.

This is coming from someone who generally suggests taking the money and running when a manager is wanted by other clubs because we invariably end up losing form and sacking them, costing us money, in the next six months after turning the approach down.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 30, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
Fulham enhanced Coleman's funding because he bumped a club that under Tigana was going down, and did alright despite the funding given to Tigana being cut. Wales enhanced his reputation because they qualified for a major tournament and did well.

The other jobs haven't enhanced his reputation, because he's done badly.

Now, there are extenuating circumstances at many clubs... including Stoke! But Nathan Jones is hardly likel;y to be spoken of when the jobs at the top of the Championship come knocking. it's not exactly boosted his career.

Wales qualified for a major tournament because they had Bale scoring in most of their matches. Without him I'm confident in saying they wouldn't have done.

Irish Sky Blue · Sep 30, 2019

We have people on here who a few months ago would have paid for his taxi to Stoke. Lose a game or two and no doubt they will be back ticking, tocking and taxi-ing.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 30, 2019

Irish Sky Blue said:
We have people on here who a few months ago would have paid for his taxi to Stoke. Lose a game or two and no doubt they will be back ticking, tocking and taxi-ing.

Bet Micky Adams wishes he'd taken up West Brom's offer.

BackRoomRummermill · Sep 30, 2019

Irish Sky Blue said:
We have people on here who a few months ago would have paid for his taxi to Stoke. Lose a game or two and no doubt they will be back ticking, tocking and taxi-ing.

Unless he goes himself...….

Liquid Gold · Sep 30, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
How exactly has Sunderland enhanced Coleman's reputation?

How exactly did we enhance Coleman's reputation, for that matter?

The point is that nobody, apart from maybe us, blames Coleman for what happened at Sunderland because they were seen as a basket case beyond saving. It didn't do his reputation any harm at all and he ended up with a massive payoff. Whoever goes to stoke is going to end up in the same boat. Jones will easily get a job in League One after what he did at Luton but he is now sorted for life.

I don't know where you've got anything about us enhancing CC's reputation from.

fellatio_Martinez · Sep 30, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
The point is that nobody, apart from maybe us, blames Coleman for what happened at Sunderland because they were seen as a basket case beyond saving. It didn't do his reputation any harm at all and he ended up with a massive payoff. Whoever goes to stoke is going to end up in the same boat. Jones will easily get a job in League One after what he did at Luton but he is now sorted for life.

I don’t think Coleman came off badly in the Sunderland Til I Die documentary. Most of his transfer targets slipped away because of lack of funds while that tosser Jack Rodwell sat on his arse getting a massive wage. Coleman remained composed even when he realised the game was up.

ccfcway · Sep 30, 2019

superskyblue said:
If he goes we should move straight in and get Nathan Jones.

he wont be gone too long

robbiekeane · Sep 30, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
while that tosser Jack Rodwell sat on his arse getting a massive wage

I'd do the same to be fair. Is he supposed to give it up? Bit harsh calling him a tosser I think, it was Sunderland who offered him that contract and were stupid enough not to put the appropriate relegation clauses in it.

fellatio_Martinez · Sep 30, 2019

robbiekeane said:
I'd do the same to be fair. Is he supposed to give it up? Bit harsh calling him a tosser I think, it was Sunderland who offered him that contract and were stupid enough not to put the appropriate relegation clauses in it.

Well you're a tosser too then. The fact he refused to leave a club he didn't like and deliberately played shit so he could sit at home and collect £70k a week wasn't just looking out for his best interests.

But hey, let's not let morals get in the way of an easy buck.

Winny the Bish · Sep 30, 2019

It's going to be Pulis. You can breathe a sigh of relief.

SeaSeeEffCee · Sep 30, 2019

I don't think I'd be looking at Robins if I was a Championship chairman. His record away from Cov is pretty average and even here we're three years into the process and only now really starting to see any signs of consistency. I don't see him being the sort of manager who could be parachuted into a failing Championship club and turning their fortunes around.

Irish Sky Blue · Sep 30, 2019

SeaSeeEffCee said:
I don't think I'd be looking at Robins if I was a Championship chairman. His record away from Cov is pretty average and even here we're three years into the process and only now really starting to see any signs of consistency. I don't see him being the sort of manager who could be parachuted into a failing Championship club and turning their fortunes around.

So a manager who turned around a basket case of a League 1 team, got them promoted at the first time of asking (first promotion in fifty years, first top 6 finish in forty years), radically changed that promotion team and got us to 8th in the league above, radically changed that team and now has us unbeaten in ten, playing super football, who has the best win percentage of any long term City manager, is only now starting to produce a consistent team. Hmmmm...

robbiekeane · Oct 1, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Well you're a tosser too then. The fact he refused to leave a club he didn't like and deliberately played shit so he could sit at home and collect £70k a week wasn't just looking out for his best interests.

But hey, let's not let morals get in the way of an easy buck.

Firstly, fuck off you don't even know me.

Secondly, refused to leave a club and be jobless you mean? They were the ones who decided to offer him a contract? Why would he walk away from that just because it didn't suit them because they fucked up their finances? Deliberately played shit..what are you talking about? Can you provide some kind of evidence of this?

Sunderland outcast Jack Rodwell insists he's not to blame | Daily Mail Online

nunchuckas · Oct 1, 2019

skyblue93 said:
It's going to be Pulis. You can breathe a sigh of relief.

This is going to be my fear all season every time a job comes up though (assuming we are challenging at the top all season). The first manager in my living memory that I've ever had 100% faith in. If we were to get some money from a Wilson transfer, I'd be happy ring-fencing it all for when someone comes in for Robins and matching whatever a Championship team offers him to keep him - he is THAT important for us.

I'd normally never agree with paying that sort of money at our level, but given we have been bereft of decent managers for the past 20 years, we just can't afford to lose him, or the momentum we have at the moment.

I think it would be worth it, rather than chucking a couple of league 1 contracts at another shit manager we sack after 20 games and have to continue paying for 2/3 years, whilst recruiting another shit manager (the cycle continues).

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Oct 1, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Well you're a tosser too then. The fact he refused to leave a club he didn't like and deliberately played shit so he could sit at home and collect £70k a week wasn't just looking out for his best interests.

But hey, let's not let morals get in the way of an easy buck.

People banding about morals is ridiculous, it’s a job at the end of the day. Why is it Rodwells fault if Sunderland paid him 70k a week with no relegation clause.

If nobody else is going to match it, why would he leave?

Clubs can discard players at Will and first to moan about not living up to their contracts. They can’t have it both ways.

letsallsingtogether · Oct 1, 2019

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Clubs can discard players at Will and first to moan about not living up to their contracts. They can’t have it both ways.[/QUOTE]
Yes funny how they have a Bomb squad dont renew contracts then winge when a player wants to leave for a bigger Club or more money.
Fans are just as bad fair play to Robin's if he moves on we will survive without him as we have done before.
Just hope he doesn't.

higgs · Oct 2, 2019

Luton had the foundations in place last season so when Jones left they still got promoted hopefully if the worst happens and robin's leaves that the squad is strong enough for us to make a seamless transition

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Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 2, 2019

Robins gets us back into the Championship while on half crowds in Birmingham he’ll be able to name his price to anyone who comes calling. Better off where he is

CCFC54321 · Oct 2, 2019

I don’t think robins will be here after this season. Most managers these days have a shelf life of 18 months and Robins has done 2.5 years so done well.

also, there are plenty of bloody good managers out there it’s up to the club when he does go to have the right successor and do a good job vetting them. There’s life after Robins!

Irish Sky Blue · Oct 2, 2019

CCFC54321 said:
I don’t think robins will be here after this season. Most managers these days have a shelf life of 18 months and Robins has done 2.5 years so done well.

also, there are plenty of bloody good managers out there it’s up to the club when he does go to have the right successor and do a good job vetting them. There’s life after Robins!

Are you sure? There wasn’t much of a life before him.

cc84cov · Oct 2, 2019

CCFC54321 said:
I don’t think robins will be here after this season. Most managers these days have a shelf life of 18 months and Robins has done 2.5 years so done well.

also, there are plenty of bloody good managers out there it’s up to the club when he does go to have the right successor and do a good job vetting them. There’s life after Robins!

He will never ever ever leave EVER

Magwitch · Oct 2, 2019

Think he’s happy to see his project here through but, and there’s always a but, our ground situation as it is could always influence things negatively.

SkyblueBazza · Oct 2, 2019

He has sky blue blood running through his veins.
He said himself...before he went to Huddersfield

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Gibbo · Oct 3, 2019

CCFC54321 said:
I don’t think robins will be here after this season. Most managers these days have a shelf life of 18 months and Robins has done 2.5 years so done well.

also, there are plenty of bloody good managers out there it’s up to the club when he does go to have the right successor and do a good job vetting them. There’s life after Robins!

There is research somewhere that says that with a few obvious exceptions after three years the law of diminishing returns applies to managers. Players cease to respond apparently, although given the turnover in squads these days, this slightly surprises me. You could easily imagine Robins having at least one more good season, but not much more, he is a very conservative chap

Sick Boy · Oct 3, 2019

Magwitch said:
Think he’s happy to see his project here through but, and there’s always a but, our ground situation as it is could always influence things negatively.

yeah when he left before he was highly critical of the council. He will know there’s little the club can do though and who’s to blame.

Colin Steins Smile · Oct 3, 2019

Gibbo said:
There is research somewhere that says that with a few obvious exceptions after three years the law of diminishing returns applies to managers. Players cease to respond apparently, although given the turnover in squads these days, this slightly surprises me. You could easily imagine Robins having at least one more good season, but not much more, he is a very conservative chap

Those statistics are quite stark. In our case we have had such a large turnover of players during the past few seasons, that MR is not necessarily in that situation. Additionally, the staff turnover has been significant within his coaching and support service staff, which does add new stimulus and innovative practices.
Finally, the management style is a significant factor and MR seems to have a more collaborative style compared with many managers who follow a conflict/competition model.

SkyBlueDom26 · Oct 4, 2019

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SkyblueBazza · Oct 5, 2019

Maybe all this sort of talk had an impact on today's performance???

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Tommo1993 · Oct 5, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Maybe all this sort of talk had an impact on today's performance???

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Nah, the result was totally down to our defence FINALLY being caught out fannying around with the ball.

superskyblue · Oct 5, 2019

Tommo1993 said:
Nah, the result was totally down to our defence FINALLY being caught out fannying around with the ball.

And bizarrely we tried to play less out of defence today than most previous games.

letsallsingtogether · Oct 5, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
He has sky blue blood running through his veins.
He said himself...before he went to Huddersfield

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Yes but they play in a shade of Sky Blue.

CanadianCCFC · Oct 5, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Maybe all this sort of talk had an impact on today's performance???

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The inability of our defenders to execute simple passes was the issue.

SkyblueBazza · Oct 6, 2019

CanadianCCFC said:
The inability of our defenders to execute simple passes was the issue.

Yes...has there been an attitude shift? This kind of talk often unsettles the squad.

There is even talk of Everton sacking Marco Silva - they might make a play for MR yet!

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