Never been a fan of positive discrimination. All seems a bit patronising. Plenty of black managers breaking through now, and that'll only encourage more to enter coaching. Would like to think this would mean things change without the need for this sort of intervention.
Maybe we are naive to think line that?Do clubs really not pick the best person for the job because they're from a minority? I couldn't care less if we had a 2 headed purple alien from planet zod in charge if we were winning games.
Do clubs really not pick the best person for the job because they're from a minority? I couldn't care less if we had a 2 headed purple alien from planet zod in charge if we were winning games.
Its only an interview, and only if they meet the minimum requirements and qualifications. The best candidate will still get the job.Plus, would people not get the feeling that they might only be there as the token statistic that had to be there? Rather than for the actual ability?
I'd have expected equal opportunities as standard, not just ccfc but in general.
No, that's not how it worksDo we have to sack Mowbray and get Shaw back now?
IIRC last time this was debated it was shown the issue was around attracting applications rather than discriminatory hiring practices. I dunno about positive discrimination, but maybe in this case it would be better if we looked at the core reasons less black players go into management as well. I suppose this move maybe help remove the idea that they won't get an interview so why apply, but how common is that mindset?
Is the % of population really that low?Actually 3 out of 72 might not be that low.
I think it's safe to leave Asians out of it for a second because there are separate issues about getting British Asian players into the game full stop, let alone as managers. As it's usually ex players who manage, and I couldn't even name one British Asian pro footballer off the top of my head, I think it's fair to focus on black players.
First consider when black players became common and the age of those players. We need to know the trend and that's hard with such a small sample size, but I'd assume it's going up as more black players retire from the English game.
Secondly according to wiki, black people make up 3% of the population. 3 is 4.1% of 72 so a higher proportion. Though again small numbers mean big jumps easily.
About 25% of professional footballers are black.Actually 3 out of 72 might not be that low.
I think it's safe to leave Asians out of it for a second because there are separate issues about getting British Asian players into the game full stop, let alone as managers. As it's usually ex players who manage, and I couldn't even name one British Asian pro footballer off the top of my head, I think it's fair to focus on black players.
First consider when black players became common and the age of those players. We need to know the trend and that's hard with such a small sample size, but I'd assume it's going up as more black players retire from the English game.
Secondly according to wiki, black people make up 3% of the population. 3 is 4.1% of 72 so a higher proportion. Though again small numbers mean big jumps easily.
BBC said:Key stats
Percentage of BAME coaches amongst those 'self-declaring' their ethnicity on the respective FA courses from May 2014
Level One: 6%
Level Two: 9%
Uefa B Licence: 5.6%*
Uefa A Licence: 12.9%*
Uefa Pro-Licence: 6.5%*
Level One (female): 7%
Level Two (female): 5%
* Figures for three seasons, covering August 2011 - May 2014
BBC said:Of the 230 clubs that make up the seven tiers of English football below the top flight, only 14 have black managers (6.09%)
Pro for PL, A for the rest of the league including academy managers.What license is needed for the football league?
Thats everyone that did the courses. But there will be way more people qualified than jobs available. Like any job you need to get your foot in the door somewhere. One report I found mentioned Richard Shaw but he had a chance here and was useless.Is that all coaches or just professional footballers? Wed need to see what the figures are for pro footballers, given I could do a FIFA licence course and would have absolutely no chance of getting a job in a professional club.
Don't be stupid. Everyone knows that they don't play football on the planet Zod.
I agree. Positive discrimination completely misses the point for me. It doesn't change attitudes and it's a lazy way to make it look like the world is changing instead of educating. So for me it cures nothing.
About 25% of professional footballers are black.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30
About 25% of professional footballers are black.
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That must come into it. Big Cyrille is often mentioned as one of the pioneering black players in England. He's what age now, late 50s? So you're probably talking a generation behind him, at least, before it was completely accepted.What age are they?
How far does it go? I'm 1/4 black but look pretty much white, think Giggs and Ross Barkley. Can I sneak an interview?
Joking aside, the rule won't do any harm so I'm all for it. The job will still go to the person best suited to it.
Ross Barkley is mixed race?
Exactly. Who knew? But yeah, his dad is half Nigerian.
There's loads of us. Tony Bellew, Stephen Graham (combo out of this is England)
What, scousers?
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