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ptr · Jan 17, 2016

What do we think of him?

Has excellent vision but at the moment he's just not cutting it out on the wing. I like him but wonder if he's better as a number 10? Defensively not the best either and makes some haphazard decisions. In his case he doesn't get a proper run of games but would much rather JOB out on pitch.

Otis · Jan 17, 2016

ptr said:
What do we think of him?

Has excellent vision but at the moment he's just not cutting it out on the wing. I like him but wonder if he's better as a number 10? Defensively not the best either and makes some haphazard decisions. In his case he doesn't get a proper run of games but would much rather JOB out on pitch.

An impact player from the subs bench only for me. Don't think he should be first choice for selection. Maybe here and there perhaps, but not with any degree of regularity.

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Jan 17, 2016

Hope he comes good, seems likeable & I have nothing against him & like you say probably more of a number 10.

But would rather JOB starting ahead of him over the next few months.

Otis · Jan 17, 2016

Yep, agree. JOB over Lameiras any day of the week.

Skyblueweeman · Jan 17, 2016

Agree with JOB over Lameiras but Rubens getting more stick than he deserves for yesterday. He wasn't given the ball enough and Phillips, the 2 CBs and 2 CMs had ample chances to play him in behind the back 4 but went for other options, the wrong ones in my opinion.

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Otis · Jan 17, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
Agree with JOB over Lameiras but Rubens getting more stick than he deserves for yesterday. He wasn't given the ball enough and Phillips, the 2 CBs and 2 CMs had ample chances to play him in behind the back 4 but went for other options, the wrong ones in my opinion.

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But the same sort of thing happened with Stokes and most people are saying he didn't play well.

We kept giving the ball to Stokes without any support at all.

Difference is, Stokes didn't play some of the suicide passes Lameiras made.

Hobo · Jan 17, 2016

ptr said:
What do we think of him?

Has excellent vision but at the moment he's just not cutting it out on the wing. I like him but wonder if he's better as a number 10? Defensively not the best either and makes some haphazard decisions. In his case he doesn't get a proper run of games but would much rather JOB out on pitch.

Put Lamieres alongside Maddison and Murphy and they are all to lightweight. For me we need a bit more fight in there; pick from Vincelot Rose or Hunt....Not convinced JOB is the full-time answer. I like JOB and think he has a part to play, but he lacks a bit of defensive awareness to me. Walsall was an example. His positioning made it easy, inviting, to feed their LB and attack down that flank. Then their goal, surprise? Their player had so much space and time to cross it was like they had won a free kick. It isn't about closing down or going one to one, just the original position of the defending player should make the pass look not such an easy choice when the opposition are building from the back. A couple of yards can make all the difference.

Otis · Jan 17, 2016

Hobo said:
Put Lamieres alongside Maddison and Murphy and they are all to lightweight. For me we need a bit more fight in there; pick from Vincelot Rose or Hunt....Not convinced JOB is the full-time answer. I like JOB and think he has a part to play, but he lacks a bit of defensive awareness to me. Walsall was an example. His positioning made it easy, inviting, to feed their LB and attack down that flank. Then their goal, surprise? Their player had so much space and time to cross it was like they had won a free kick. It isn't about closing down or going one to one, just the original position of the defending player should make the pass look not such an easy choice when the opposition are building from the back. A couple of yards can make all the difference.

Yep, agree about the lightweight remark. Lameiras and Maddison and Murphy is indeed very lightweight, without any steel there at all.

Could Rose prove to be the answer?

Sky · Jan 17, 2016

He isn't a winger. commits himself to much to taking players on and playing the perfect through ball and when it doesn't work out, the opposition quickly break. He'd be very good as a number 10 i imagine, where making mistakes are not as dangerous but obviously we have Maddison and Cole before him there.

covcity4life · Jan 17, 2016

When kent was here so many posters used to moan lameires not playing lol

Fans will always moan despite saying they love TM

stupot07 · Jan 17, 2016

I like him and do think he can start in the right set up as shown at the beginning of the season and in the Sheffield United game who are a physical team, but he needs someone like JOB around him. Maddison, Murphy and Lamieres where a too lightweight trio for yesterday's game.

Re: Walsall as I've said I believe JOB and Murphy were asked to squeeze, to try to combat walsalls narrow diamond and to get our wide only when the ball went to the full backs. They were both knackered and if anything was the fault of Mowbray not bringing on fresh legs soon enough, JOB just didn't have enough left in the tank to get there.

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Otis · Jan 17, 2016

stupot07 said:
I like him and do think he can start in the right set up as shown at the beginning of the season and in the Sheffield United game who are a physical team, but he needs someone like JOB around him. Maddison, Murphy and Lamieres where a too lightweight trio for yesterday's game.

Re: Walsall as I've said I believe JOB and Murphy were asked to squeeze, to try to combat walsalls narrow diamond and to get our wide only when the ball went to the full backs. They were both knackered and if anything was the fault of Mowbray not bringing on fresh legs soon enough, JOB just didn't have enough left in the tank to get there.

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We definitely should have brought subs on earlier on Tuesday.

rupert_bear · Jan 17, 2016

Central midfielder for me and we have plenty ahead of him at the minute imo

johnwillomagic · Jan 17, 2016

TM did not pick my winning start XI which is why we lost simples!

I had JOB in over Lameiras for this game......When TM agrees with my start XI
we never lose.

Also had Ricketts moving to Right Back, kept Stoke central with Rambo and Haynes
kept his place over Phillips....

sw88 · Jan 17, 2016

He sees a pass that other players don't, then when he plays them, we usually conceded possession because of this. I'm sure he doesn't conceded possession intentionally.

Twice yesterday Armstrong did read the passes from him that were played through a very tight gap. He has that to his game but needs more.

Agree he is too lightweight at times though.

Think he needs to get himself into the gym, or appoint the Personal Trainer (if there was one) that bulked Wilson up as he wasn't always the bulky lad that he's grown into now if I recall correctly.

Skyblueweeman · Jan 17, 2016

Otis said:
But the same sort of thing happened with Stokes and most people are saying he didn't play well.

We kept giving the ball to Stokes without any support at all.

Difference is, Stokes didn't play some of the suicide passes Lameiras made.

Personally, I thought Stokes gave the ball away more but might have been my eyesight and not seeing the other side of the pitch as well!

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stevefloyd · Jan 17, 2016

I still like Lameiras. .plays some wonderful through balls at times but he is a luxury player too much atm... maybe we see more from him next season

KG7 · Jan 17, 2016

He made one terrible pass yesterday but he was the only one able to penetrate the burton defence and I think it was a mistake to take him off. Pace was never going to get behind Burton as they were so deep - should've taken Murphy off IMO

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stevefloyd · Jan 17, 2016

I agree he was actually creating chances whilst others around were not.. we lost our chances after he went off...coincidence???

ClarkeZ · Jan 18, 2016

Early in the season he was part of the 4 up top which destroyed teams week in week out.
Had Ruben, JOB, Maddison and Armstrong and no one could cope. I got frustrated when he stopped playing that combination following other signings.

For me, Murphy is too wasteful and too often gives the ball away cheaply. Its great to see him take on and beat players but his final ball needs to improve and decision making too. Having said that, he's come a long way since 2 months ago.

Especially as an impact sub I think Ruben should be used more to replace Murphy, to be able to bring fresh legs on and bring those 4 back together up front I reckon will be too much for tired defences to handle in the last 30mins of a game. Murphy has looked tired and less willing to run in the last 30mins recently, Walsall an example.
As a n10 though? I think JOB and Madders have better vision and can find a killer ball more often, needs to be on the wing for me.

Nick · Jan 18, 2016

I think on Saturday he wasn't as bad as made out, he took a few players on. A few good touches in our half on the byline to take the pressure off and some through balls to put Armstrong through.

If he loses the ball which he did, he does then tend to try his best to chase it back and win it again which is at least trying to make up for it rather than standing about with his hands in the air.

rupert_bear · Jan 18, 2016

Midfield is certainly our problem and getting the best combination we have Vincelot, Fleck, Cole, Bigi, JOB, Lamiras, Maddison, Murphy, plus Hunt & Rose and any new right sided wide man we get just what is the best combination ? Ask on here and there will be numerous different opinions. In my opinion the Lameras, Maddison Murphy combination used Saturday was too weak and
could say inexperienced Burton had a pretty easy day defensively until Tudguy came on all be it a bit too late

Esoterica · Jan 18, 2016

Despite having a lot of talent, I think he'll struggle to carve out much of a career in England. For me, he's the kind of player that needs to be the number 10 in a team built around him to suit his qualities. He's going to be lucky to find a manager in today's game, where you get 12-18 months if you're lucky, that's prepared to stick his neck out and do that. Unfortunately for him here, number 10 is a position we currently have a number of better options (Maddison, Cole, Murphy). At his age he needs to be getting regular starts and I think Spain would be a much better option for him than here, where I think his style would be appreciated more. Whether he could find a club there with 30 appearances in Swedish Div. 2 and English Div 3 is a different matter!

mechaishida · Jan 18, 2016

If he's deployed in a position where his technical skills aren't allowed to flourish, then of course, he's gonna be out at sea. He's not a winger, that much is evident.

With Madders and Cole occupying the Attacking Midfielder role, I think his chances are due to be even more limited. The boy has skill, but only when he's in his preferred position and against the right opposition. Some might say he has a lot going against him, here at City.

rupert_bear · Jan 18, 2016

Think in fairness he's one for the future Cole and Maddison may not be here for next season and I agree being number 10 with a couple of hard nuts around him he may well blossom he is the same type of player as Man City's David Silva so I wouldn't right him off just yet.

fernandopartridge · Jan 18, 2016

rupert_bear said:
Midfield is certainly our problem and getting the best combination we have Vincelot, Fleck, Cole, Bigi, JOB, Lamiras, Maddison, Murphy, plus Hunt & Rose and any new right sided wide man we get just what is the best combination ? Ask on here and there will be numerous different opinions. In my opinion the Lameras, Maddison Murphy combination used Saturday was too weak and
could say inexperienced Burton had a pretty easy day defensively until Tudguy came on all be it a bit too late

Horses for courses, we got behind Burton once or twice in the first half, once with a nice through ball from Maddison and once with one from Lameiras.

Lameiras was doing ok I thought.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Jan 18, 2016

I don't get why a few have slated him so much. He's arguably got the best vision for a through ball in our team bar Cole. Yes, he isn't the strongest that much is clear. Neither is Maddison. The boys got skill and a great eye for a pass. It feels at times that you can be a fairly bog standard technical footballer but as long you run around a bit and are putting tackles in you are loved, you can be a technically great footballer who isn't the best defensively despite putting effort in and your're lambasted. And before anyone jumps on my back, I'm not saying he was fantastic on Saturday but neither were about 7 other players.

Otis · Jan 18, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I don't get why a few have slated him so much. He's arguably got the best vision for a through ball in our team bar Cole. Yes, he isn't the strongest that much is clear. Neither is Maddison. The boys got skill and a great eye for a pass. It feels at times that you can be a fairly bog standard technical footballer but as long you run around a bit and are putting tackles in you are loved, you can be a technically great footballer who isn't the best defensively despite putting effort in and your're lambasted. And before anyone jumps on my back, I'm not saying he was fantastic on Saturday but neither were about 7 other players.

Err but isn't the problem that loads of people ARE rating him because he seemingly has such great technical ability, rather than someone who runs around a bit?

I would say lots and lots of posters have wanted him in and called for him to be in because he is skilful without looking at whether he will fit into a system or not.

Yep, he was great at Millwall and at Sheff Utd but too many times he has failed to deliver and nearly every single time he plays he is substituted. Now before anyone says so is JOB too, JOB literally runs himself into the ground so is exhausted.

I have no problem with Lameiras, but Saturday was not the game for him and he was very rightly taken off by TM on Saturday.

There is no way now that we can accommodate Maddison, Murphy and Lameiras in the same team, not on these pitches and not against physical teams and the fact is Maddison is a better player than Lameiras and Murphy will always score goals.

Hobo · Jan 18, 2016

People are missing a big point about the Lamieras substitution. It was not so much down to a poor performance as a tactical response to the Burton goal.
TM knew we needed to try something different once we were chasing the game and wanted to get Tudgay on to support Armstrong.

Murphy (despite my criticisms on other posts) had started to come into the game just before half time, but not on the left. It probably saved him to be honest along with his stats of scoring and assisting goals.

He actually played down the right in the second half and seemed a bit more up for it. Bigi linked with him and fed him simple passes, but we just were not going to get any change out of Burtons disciplined approach.

For me the second was the killer and the most disappointing. Rather than one individual error (and that happens), you had four or five players all making decisions/passes that could have been better to clear the lines. To cap it all RCC who made several good saves has to be disapointed at been beaten from that angle at the near post?

But with about 19 games left we have to learn from it, rather than beat ourselves up about it.

rupert_bear · Jan 18, 2016

Bang on Hobo three times the ball should have been put into row z but we chose to tip tap about and looked what happened

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Jan 18, 2016

Otis said:
Err but isn't the problem that loads of people ARE rating him because he seemingly has such great technical ability, rather than someone who runs around a bit?

I would say lots and lots of posters have wanted him in and called for him to be in because he is skilful without looking at whether he will fit into a system or not.

Yep, he was great at Millwall and at Sheff Utd but too many times he has failed to deliver and nearly every single time he plays he is substituted. Now before anyone says so is JOB too, JOB literally runs himself into the ground so is exhausted.

I have no problem with Lameiras, but Saturday was not the game for him and he was very rightly taken off by TM on Saturday.

There is no way now that we can accommodate Maddison, Murphy and Lameiras in the same team, not on these pitches and not against physical teams and the fact is Maddison is a better player than Lameiras and Murphy will always score goals.

I would agree with most of this for sure. It's basically summed up the situation with him at the moment. I'm not saying he should play every game or anything like that and agree that a lot of the time we can't accomodate all three, especially on dodgy pitches through the winter. Entirely agree that Burton wasn't the game for him too. And you are right there are plenty like me who rate him, but the frustration there are many others who basically have cast him aside due to a sub-par performance (when many were equally bad if not worse than he was) and have made out he should be offloaded. If you look back to how we played in the first seven of games this season, it was the best we had played (in both performance and results) and the three behind Armstrong was pretty much always Maddison, Ruben and Job.

Otis · Jan 18, 2016

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I would agree with most of this for sure. It's basically summed up the situation with him at the moment. I'm not saying he should play every game or anything like that and agree that a lot of the time we can't accomodate all three, especially on dodgy pitches through the winter. Entirely agree that Burton wasn't the game for him too. And you are right there are plenty like me who rate him, but the frustration there are many others who basically have cast him aside due to a sub-par performance (when many were equally bad if not worse than he was) and have made out he should be offloaded. If you look back to how we played in the first seven of games this season, it was the best we had played (in both performance and results) and the three behind Armstrong was pretty much always Maddison, Ruben and Job.

To my mind both Murphy and Lameiras should have come off at half-time or just after, to be replaced by Cole and JOB.

honestken · Jan 18, 2016

I feel sorry for Lameiras, was the best player on the pitch v Sheff Utd then gets "rested" for the next game, plays an hour v port vale then out the team again until Saturday!!

I personally think Mowbray is tinkering with the team too much, needs a settled starting 11, only about 2 midweek games now until the end of the season so players should not be getting tired and in need of a rest!!

Gazolba · Jan 18, 2016

honestken said:
I personally think Mowbray is tinkering with the team too much, needs a settled starting 11, only about 2 midweek games now until the end of the season so players should not be getting tired and in need of a rest!!

In the old days you could do that because we had a 'reserve' team who played a good competitive game every week. The reserve players could step into the first team on a moments notice and were fully fit and ready to go. Now with such a large squad and no settled first choice eleven, TM has to juggle every week.

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