Calista
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Who has said they are looking to make 10-13 available for home fans? Is that stated in the consultation or are you guessing? Pete's OP just refers to safe standing in 13-16.
Who has said they are looking to make 10-13 available for home fans? Is that stated in the consultation or are you guessing? Pete's OP just refers to safe standing in 13-16.not overly fussed whether they bother with safe standing or not... as said above its not as big an issue as the fact we have about 4k empty seats as a max...
Based on how Doug has acted, if big attendances become the norm or we get promoted he will absolutely look to resolve the issue.
From latest map, focus will simply be making 10-13 open for home fans, no way the away fans get moved imo. for 3.5 away fans, 2 toilets and a couple of bars is more than plenty and pretty sure thats already in 6-9 so will just be splitting the concourse
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Who has said they are looking to make 10-13 available for home fans? Is that stated in the consultation or are you guessing? Pete's OP just refers to safe standing in 13-16.
If you move the away fans to that corner and have the safe standing at the front, who is going into Singer's Corner?I already posted my ideas on another thread previously. The reality is, I genuinely have no idea how realistic it is to move the away fans, or what the rules would have to be on 'no mans land' segregation. Therefore, this is just a bit of fun. That being said I would be happy to get involved with the consultation. @Sky Blue Pete - I think it is a great opportunity for the club.
Key:
Yellow - New Singers Corner - Approx 2000 Capacity
Red - New Away End - Approx 3000 Capacity
Black - New Safe Standing Section - Approx 2000 Capacity
Orange - Segregation 'No Mans Land'
The section above the black square then becomes pretty much another tier, which could look smart behind a decent safe standing section, which itself would fit nicely between the two large entry/access points. The away end would need to comply with the minimum league standards (3000 I believe) and therefore might need some jiggling, but the rest of the stadium after that pretty much stays as it is.
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If you move the away fans to that corner and have the safe standing at the front, who is going into Singer's Corner?
Those that want to be near the away fans will be further across. Those that want to stand will be in the standing area. Which leaves...who, exactly?
Pitch needs some work.I already posted my ideas on another thread previously. The reality is, I genuinely have no idea how realistic it is to move the away fans, or what the rules would have to be on 'no mans land' segregation. Therefore, this is just a bit of fun. That being said I would be happy to get involved with the consultation. @Sky Blue Pete - I think it is a great opportunity for the club.
Key:
Yellow - New Singers Corner - Approx 2000 Capacity
Red - New Away End - Approx 3000 Capacity
Black - New Safe Standing Section - Approx 2000 Capacity
Orange - Segregation 'No Mans Land'
The section above the black square then becomes pretty much another tier, which could look smart behind a decent safe standing section, which itself would fit nicely between the two large entry/access points. The away end would need to comply with the minimum league standards (3000 I believe) and therefore might need some jiggling, but the rest of the stadium after that pretty much stays as it is.
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Don’t worry, it will never happen.If you move the away fans to that corner and have the safe standing at the front, who is going into Singer's Corner?
Those that want to be near the away fans will be further across. Those that want to stand will be in the standing area. Which leaves...who, exactly?
The black section you have reserved for standing would not work without serious reprofiling of the steps to prevent restricted views of the spectators in the sections around it. It’s a nice idea, but if you remember, when the Spion Kop at HR was seated and then returned to having a section of standing, the standing was to the rear to combat this issue. A lot of stadia in the 60’s>80’s had a standing paddock in front of seating, but there was an inevitable ’balcony effect’ between the two or a change in elevation to eliminate sightline concerns for seated fans to the rear and sides of those who elected to stand.I already posted my ideas on another thread previously. The reality is, I genuinely have no idea how realistic it is to move the away fans, or what the rules would have to be on 'no mans land' segregation. Therefore, this is just a bit of fun. That being said I would be happy to get involved with the consultation. @Sky Blue Pete - I think it is a great opportunity for the club.
Key:
Yellow - New Singers Corner - Approx 2000 Capacity
Red - New Away End - Approx 3000 Capacity
Black - New Safe Standing Section - Approx 2000 Capacity
Orange - Segregation 'No Mans Land'
The section above the black square then becomes pretty much another tier, which could look smart behind a decent safe standing section, which itself would fit nicely between the two large entry/access points. The away end would need to comply with the minimum league standards (3000 I believe) and therefore might need some jiggling, but the rest of the stadium after that pretty much stays as it is.
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I already posted my ideas on another thread previously. The reality is, I genuinely have no idea how realistic it is to move the away fans, or what the rules would have to be on 'no mans land' segregation. Therefore, this is just a bit of fun. That being said I would be happy to get involved with the consultation. @Sky Blue Pete - I think it is a great opportunity for the club.
Key:
Yellow - New Singers Corner - Approx 2000 Capacity
Red - New Away End - Approx 3000 Capacity
Black - New Safe Standing Section - Approx 2000 Capacity
Orange - Segregation 'No Mans Land'
The section above the black square then becomes pretty much another tier, which could look smart behind a decent safe standing section, which itself would fit nicely between the two large entry/access points. The away end would need to comply with the minimum league standards (3000 I believe) and therefore might need some jiggling, but the rest of the stadium after that pretty much stays as it is.
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That's the worst idea I've ever seen
The black section you have reserved for standing would not work without serious reprofiling of the steps to prevent restricted views of the spectators in the sections around it. It’s a nice idea, but if you remember, when the Spion Kop at HR was seated and then returned to having a section of standing, the standing was to the rear to combat this issue. A lot of stadia in the 60’s>80’s had a standing paddock in front of seating, but there was an inevitable ’balcony effect’ between the two or a change in elevation to eliminate sightline concerns for seated fans to the rear and sides of those who elected to stand.
I didn't say we should have a standing section at the back, I was using the Spion Kop situation to demonstrate that you have to consider sightlines for all spectators before introducing standing sections. You are completely blind to the fact we don't own the stadium and therefore can't make adhoc alterations. Not withstanding any investment should have a return.If you are investing in a remodel of the stadium, moving the away supporters etc, then reprofiling of the steps isn't really a change that would make it a deal breaker.
We've been through this before but even the seats affected by the view are a small amount anyway. The two bedroom house and knocking two rooms together isn't really a good analogy as the loss in capacity would be almost nothing.
A standing section at the back is shoddy, as is three blocks if segregation between away and home fans. Ultimately if they're going to do a standing area it needs to boost the stadium and they need to use this opportunity. I know some people are attached to the corner but the layout of the stadium at the moment is a bit tinpot.
I didn't say we should have a standing section at the back, I was using the Spion Kop situation to demonstrate that you have to consider sightlines for all spectators before introducing standing sections. You are completely blind to the fact we don't own the stadium and therefore can't make adhoc alterations. Not withstanding any investment should have a return.
Other than putting the Sun in their eyes, I’m not sure what moving the away fans would do. Id just only give them half the stand, put safe standing in the corner and maybe blocks 10-12 if there’s the demand.
We’ve just shuffled everyone around with the family zone and the atmosphere is still finding its feet. Id worry about moving everyone again.
It is just a but of fun, but I'm curious to know why you feel so strongly about that.
Why would they move singers corner away from away fans? And even if they tried, why would anyone do it?
I also don’t understand why you’d want the opposition to be shooting towards a stand full of their own support.Why would they move singers corner away from away fans? And even if they tried, why would anyone do it?
I also don’t understand why you’d want the opposition to be shooting towards a stand full of their own support.
Think I remember Middlesbrough fans on here saying originally they put away fans behind one of the goals and then moved them to the corner for the same reason.this is a fair point.
Other than putting the Sun in their eyes, I’m not sure what moving the away fans would do. Id just only give them half the stand, put safe standing in the corner and maybe blocks 10-12 if there’s the demand.
We’ve just shuffled everyone around with the family zone and the atmosphere is still finding its feet. Id worry about moving everyone again.
Moving away fans could allow us to actually fill the stadium as opposed to near 3000 empty seats.
Further more, we have a huge demand for Singers Corner as it's a very limited space.
Actually, there is a near empty 8,000 seats as all those currently available haven’t been sold so far.Moving away fans could allow us to actually fill the stadium as opposed to near 3000 empty seats.
Further more, we have a huge demand for Singers Corner as it's a very limited space.
To be fair, and those in Singers Corner may not be able to hear it, there is a lot more noise coming from the North Stand than I have heard before- even some songs starting there. Leave away fans and Singers Corner where they are and there is potential for a wall of sound all round the stadium. Sort out the segregation in the South Stand which would probably be financially cheaper and logistically easier than moving them to the North Stand.Other than putting the Sun in their eyes, I’m not sure what moving the away fans would do. Id just only give them half the stand, put safe standing in the corner and maybe blocks 10-12 if there’s the demand.
We’ve just shuffled everyone around with the family zone and the atmosphere is still finding its feet. Id worry about moving everyone again.
That does sound simpler than moving the away fans, as long as City fans can be given regular/permanent access to ~half of the South Stand, with just the minimum required away capacity and only a narrow no man’s land. No more empty blocks in a prime part of the stadium.To be fair, and those in Singers Corner may not be able to hear it, there is a lot more noise coming from the North Stand than I have heard before- even some songs starting there. Leave away fans and Singers Corner where they are and there is potential for a wall of sound all round the stadium. Sort out the segregation in the South Stand which would probably be financially cheaper and logistically easier than moving them to the North Stand.
Not trying to be obstructive, but apart from various other issues people have mentioned, you've got the away section where the new club shop is.I already posted my ideas on another thread previously. The reality is, I genuinely have no idea how realistic it is to move the away fans, or what the rules would have to be on 'no mans land' segregation. Therefore, this is just a bit of fun. That being said I would be happy to get involved with the consultation. @Sky Blue Pete - I think it is a great opportunity for the club.
Key:
Yellow - New Singers Corner - Approx 2000 Capacity
Red - New Away End - Approx 3000 Capacity
Black - New Safe Standing Section - Approx 2000 Capacity
Orange - Segregation 'No Mans Land'
The section above the black square then becomes pretty much another tier, which could look smart behind a decent safe standing section, which itself would fit nicely between the two large entry/access points. The away end would need to comply with the minimum league standards (3000 I believe) and therefore might need some jiggling, but the rest of the stadium after that pretty much stays as it is.
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I get what you are saying Oakey, and I respect it. But remember that for many decades, the life and soul of football in this country was the thousands of fans standing on the terraces. In reaction to the safety and hooligan issues in the 70s and 80s, billions have been spent by clubs up and down the country to make it more of a theatre/concert experience, fitting everyone neatly into rows of seating. It does take something away.I take it the 80s throwbacks who want to stand will be paying for all of this? Great if so. If not, why should the rest of us have to pay and put up with changes that will always inconvenience some?
Stupid place for the Club Shop, but only on match days. Moving the away support to North stand would create problems around the Anecdote and Casino. Only on match days.Not trying to be obstructive, but apart from various other issues people have mentioned, you've got the away section where the new club shop is.
Probably cheaper than moving the away support.That does sound simpler than moving the away fans, as long as City fans can be given regular/permanent access to ~half of the South Stand, with just the minimum required away capacity and only a narrow no man’s land. No more empty blocks in a prime part of the stadium.
We keep hearing that the difficulties are in the concourse underneath, but hopefully it’s not impossible to fix with a bit of investment (which has potential to pay for itself in increased capacity).
Not trying to be obstructive, but apart from various other issues people have mentioned, you've got the away section where the new club shop is.
Why would it though? I don’t get why we are so OTT about home and away fans mixing. Jesus, it’s not the 80’s.Stupid place for the Club Shop, but only on match days. Moving the away support to North stand would create problems around the Anecdote and Casino. Only on match days.
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