Amazingly I agree with you. I was really surprised at the numbers, which I suppose makes me pro police really, as I assume most of them are OK.it goes without saying that many of them do a really amazing job. That being said, the numbers we are seeing here are really worrying, it's really high isn't it?
I think it’s healthy that we don’t think the police or teachers or church people are more trustworthy than any other group but it makes society so so hard to functionAmazingly I agree with you. I was really surprised at the numbers, which I suppose makes me pro police really, as I assume most of them are OK.
Even with those numbers, of course, most of them *are* OK, but that still seems extreme for the upkeepers of law and order!
This was from 5 days ago -Not even suspended? wow.
The thing is though, those who are supposed to 'enforce', in whatever way, how society functions should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.I think it’s healthy that we don’t think the police or teachers or church people are more trustworthy than any other group but it makes society so so hard to function
They are but only when they’ve been found guilty!The thing is though, those who are supposed to 'enforce', in whatever way, how society functions should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.
He’ll probably be with other sex offenders so unlikely to mix with non sex offenders. Tends to be deliberate in prison to do that as it’s easier than putting them with other prisoners who like to have a go at sex offenders. So unless there’s an incarcerated sex offender who has a particular hatred for police officers it’s unlikely. Most sex offenders tend to keep themselves to themselves and their heads down in prison and generally are very little trouble.
They are but only when they’ve been found guilty!
'But if you're the Police, who's going to police the Police?...'The thing is though, those who are supposed to 'enforce', in whatever way, how society functions should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.
Coast Guard?'But if you're the Police, who's going to police the Police?...'
You know the answer to that and it works ok'But if you're the Police, who's going to police the Police?...'
Well that would require humanising them so a majority on here would prefer they are just locked up for good or killedyeah and they learn sweet fuck all and do it again.
Well that would require humanising them so a majority on here would prefer they are just locked up for good or killed
I fundamentally disagree but I know I’m in the minority and absolutely accept that people are completely entitled to hold an alternative viewAt this point, he is way past "humanising".
Traffic wardens'But if you're the Police, who's going to police the Police?...'
Perhaps they could try this before they commit? Just a thought.Most sex offenders tend to keep themselves to themselves and their heads down in prison and generally are very little trouble.
Be good wouldn’t it, the prison I volunteer at there are many reasons why they commit the crime, some of which could have been avoided with earlier intervention but they are all responsible for their actions of coursePerhaps they could try this before they commit? Just a thought.
Castration or sterilisation?Be good wouldn’t it, the prison I volunteer at there are many reasons why they commit the crime, some of which could have been avoided with earlier intervention
Often psychosis or addictionCastration or sterilisation?
I meant the early intervention.Often psychosis or addiction
Nothing more than others but anyone is capable of pretty much anything
I know that’s it’s hard for you to understand and that’s great. Lucy faithful and stop it now charities will show you the stats of how normal adults can find themselves committing criminal acts that could have been avoided. There is a capacity in all of us for good and bad im certain of itI meant the early intervention.
Of course we're capable of anything, the difference is knowing what's right and wrong and a bit of self restraint. If they don't know by adulthood that being a bit noncy is a bad thing then they're a lost cause.
I know that’s it’s hard for you to understand and that’s great. Lucy faithful and stop it now charities will show you the stats of how normal adults can find themselves committing criminal acts that could have been avoided. There is a capacity in all of us for good and bad im certain of it
Not sure what’s to be gained from highlighting two of history’s most notorious killers to try and undermine someone who’s actually got first-hand experience of this stuff.yes I’m sure there was always capacity to be good with Mr Brady or Mr Neilson - if only they got the help they needed
I think I'm ok understanding how circumstances can change someone's outlook on committing crime, but that never excuses sexual crimes which are completely different. If its all the same with you I'd rather live in blissful ignorance and know that I'd rather we lived in a society without nonces and sexual predators and perhaps if we weren't so gullible and dealt with them how most of the public would prefer, there would be a lot less of them.I know that’s it’s hard for you to understand and that’s great. Lucy faithful and stop it now charities will show you the stats of how normal adults can find themselves committing criminal acts that could have been avoided. There is a capacity in all of us for good and bad im certain of it
Not sure what’s to be gained from highlighting two of history’s most notorious killers to try and undermine someone who’s actually got first-hand experience of this stuff.
And therein lies the problem. No meaningful engagement just a binary evil and not evil.yes I’m sure there was always capacity to be good with Mr Brady or Mr Neilson - if only they got the help they needed
And therein lies the problem. No meaningful engagement just a binary evil and not evil.
There’d most likely be more. What’s gullible about identifying those in danger of committing crime and enabling them to get support not to commit it? Or working with those convicted on being part of society safely and managing the risk?I think I'm ok understanding how circumstances can change someone's outlook on committing crime, but that never excuses sexual crimes which are completely different. If its all the same with you I'd rather live in blissful ignorance and know that I'd rather we lived in a society without nonces and sexual predators and perhaps if we weren't so gullible and dealt with them how most of the public would prefer, there would be a lot less of them.
There’d most likely be more. What’s gullible about identifying those in danger of committing crime and enabling them to get support not to commit it? Or working with those convicted on being part of society safely and managing the risk?
By most you mean castration, locking away for life or murdering them?
Really
Death penalty doesn’t reduce crime
Longer sentences costs huge amounts of money
There is no easy answer
Well Pete volunteers in prison and clearly talks to offenders, which sounds like valid input to the discussion, even if you disagree with what he says. I’m sure we could just run the prison system in keeping with the values of whichever awful serial killer you’ve been reading about on Wikipedia this week instead, but I’m not sure it’s going to make for the most productive debate.First hand experience of what exactly? The reality is if this reformed chap was released and moved next door to you or anyone else I doubt you’d be very happy - I wouldn’t - actually let’s look at someone who experienced people decided has regained his humanity
Mr Pitchfork - how did he show that side on his release?
Well Pete volunteers in prison and clearly talks to offenders, which sounds like valid input to the discussion, even if you disagree with what he says. I’m sure we could just run the prison system in keeping with the values of whichever awful serial killer you’ve been reading about on Wikipedia this week instead, but I’m not sure it’s going to make for the most productive debate.
What would the term be? Sorry if that offends but isn’t deliberately taking someone’s life murder?Murdering them - wow
There's a very easy answer and whilst you're entitled to want to continue to see the good in people, some are simply cunts.There’d most likely be more. What’s gullible about identifying those in danger of committing crime and enabling them to get support not to commit it? Or working with those convicted on being part of society safely and managing the risk?
By most you mean castration, locking away for life or murdering them?
Really
Death penalty doesn’t reduce crime
Longer sentences costs huge amounts of money
There is no easy answer
What would the term be? Sorry if that offends but isn’t deliberately taking someone’s life murder?
Imagine if you applied that kind of proportion to an education setting in terms of safeguarding - people would rightly be losing their shit.It is high. If you ring the MET to report something you've got a less than 1 in 50 chance of a wrong un turning up at your door.
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