fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
We need another EU thread obviously....
I haven't seen any details of his deal yet.
Its the same as May's deal but the backstop has been replaced with a border in the Irish Sea.I haven't seen any details of his deal yet.
Mad isn't it. Johnson is being lauded for going back to the deal first offered by the EU. One that he called "the worst of all worlds" and JRM called "cretinous". Even May said it was "a deal that no British prime minister could accept".Do you remember the deal that May initially wanted to put to Parliament before the DUP kicked off and said that Northern Ireland couldn’t be different to the rest of the U.K.?
Hasn’t Boris left our waters open to be traded off during trade negotiations?I've never understood the mantra of "Taking control of our money" - we already control that. I would like a deal that doesn't include subservience to the ECJ, gets back our control of our fishing waters and stops the flow of EU directives to us. Does this deal include those?
I've never understood the mantra of "Taking control of our money" - we already control that. I would like a deal that doesn't include subservience to the ECJ, gets back our control of our fishing waters and stops the flow of EU directives to us. Does this deal include those?
I've never understood the mantra of "Taking control of our money" - we already control that. I would like a deal that doesn't include subservience to the ECJ, gets back our control of our fishing waters and stops the flow of EU directives to us. Does this deal include those?
why are people so concerned about fishing which will only every be a small percentage of our GDP but are quite happy to see manufacturing, and particularly just in time manufacturing supply chains trashed causing a lot of harm to a far bigger sector?
I've never understood the mantra of "Taking control of our money" - we already control that. I would like a deal that doesn't include subservience to the ECJ, gets back our control of our fishing waters and stops the flow of EU directives to us. Does this deal include those?
It’s the notion that the EU is full of corruption, so we need to bring the corruption in house so the corrupt British people can have it instead.
Can you summarise it?
I think ‘taking back control of our money’ is more relating to the monies paid to the EU - £13bn paid year (gross), £9bn (net) in 2018. Second or third largest net contributor. Think it went up 20% this year from memory.
When you’re out of the monetary union which will have a variety of impacts on the countries within the euro, it’s not an insignificant sum.
You’re correct though Ian, from memory their have been comments in the past about corruption and the difficulty in signing off accounts EU accounts due to ‘errors’ (think things have improved in recent years though)
That’s like saying my car is my biggest expense so I should get rid, ignoring how without it my earning options are severely limited.
I've never understood the mantra of "Taking control of our money" - we already control that. I would like a deal that doesn't include subservience to the ECJ, gets back our control of our fishing waters and stops the flow of EU directives to us. Does this deal include those?
Pointless having fishing waters when you can't sell your goods tariff free into the biggest market for them.
We’ll probably end up with something similar to Norway having traded of access to our waters. We’ll be able to sell whole fish just not processed fish. But then it’s not like processing fish is the largest part of our fishing industry. No, wait. It is.Pointless having fishing waters when you can't sell your goods tariff free into the biggest market for them.
That’s like saying my car is my biggest expense so I should get rid, ignoring how without it my earning options are severely limited.
I was responding (factually) to what people mean by the ‘taking back control of our money comment’.
We obviously get benefits, however, if you’re asking, do I think we should have been second/third largest net contributor....probably not. We’ve always been on the periphery of the union.
We've not always been on the periphery or certainly not by design. We've had as much representation as anybody else but we've had cunts like Farage and Co not really doing it for years. We somehow got a number of veto rights.
28 members and our voting weight is 13%, hardly peripheral
Ireland has vetoed schengen also and Denmark also has the same veto as us on the Euro. We’re not the lone voice on these and other issues some would like to pretend.I meant as in we’re not in the Euro, not in schengen and don’t want closer union. Basically we’ve been the black sheep for a long while
Aye, 19 of 28Ireland has vetoed schengen also and Denmark also has the same veto as us on the Euro. We’re not the lone voice on these and other issues some would like to pretend.
It was never an opinion poll. But it was a result that wasn't expected.I think they continue the charade for about another year before revoking it. Makes it look like they tried. Honesty back at the time that they only meant for it to be an opinion poll would have saved an absolute fortune
I meant as in we’re not in the Euro, not in schengen and don’t want closer union. Basically we’ve been the black sheep for a long while
I meant as in we’re not in the Euro, not in schengen and don’t want closer union. Basically we’ve been the black sheep for a long while
The massively stupid thing we did was invoke Article 50 straight away. I have no idea why all politicians hurtled towards this as a good idea! Would have been far better if we'd got some kind of coherent strategy before starting negotiations, that took on board a general consensus, and *then* seen what deal, if any, was out there for us.I think they continue the charade for about another year before revoking it. Makes it look like they tried. Honesty back at the time that they only meant for it to be an opinion poll would have saved an absolute fortune
You deserve the like just for thisThe decision shouldn't have been left to the public.
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