Not so sure about in the US and the nutcase creationists there. They want to dismiss science, if not hold it back.No I don't think it holds science back , it holds people back
I mean, it's a nonsense, but what would constitute evidence that 'God' doesn't exist. It's such a mental abstract theory that any evidence would just be dismissed. Sorry don't know how I've allowed myself to get sucked in to this one.
It's unlikely that there will ever be evidence to show that God doesn't exist, and more than to show that Santa Claus does not exist. The burden of evidence is on those who believe in a supernatural being, whether it be any of the world's 2000+ gods, to prove that their God exists (should that God's laws impinge my freedoms), not for science to prove that such a being does not exist.
Science is simply used to test any evidence that believers in God may put forward. And to date, there is not a single shred of evidence.
As Ricky said, when we find a jar of supposedly Godliness, we'll test it for its godliness, and if we find that it does indeed contain Godliness then we will all celebrate the greatest scientific finding of all time.
I used to be in the church choir and went to church every SundayI'm not even religious. I just find the kind of im so smart because I'm not religious posts a little bit cringe. Most people who aren't religious will be non religious because A. Their parents probably aren't, and B. The country we live in isn't particularly anymore. Its just mimicking the behaviour of those around you similar to how a religious person in a religious country would, its not big brain time.
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It's organised religion that is the problem and Pete will agree on that.I have no interest in religion but I feel slightly uncomfortable with the mocking of religion. Pete is clearly a good guy and mocking faith seems unfair. It’s brave I think in a football forum to stand up for his beliefs
I have no interest in religion but I feel slightly uncomfortable with the mocking of religion. Pete is clearly a good guy and mocking faith seems unfair. It’s brave I think in a football forum to stand up for his beliefs
I used to be in the church choir and went to church every Sunday
Then I started questioning when I got to about 14 and reasoned and rationalised everything out and decided it was a total nonsense and made absolutely no sense at all. Religious teachings based on books written by men, for men, hundreds of centuries ago.
The only religious person in here is Christian so people feel comfortable ridiculing it. Would be interesting to see if there were similar comments if a few other faiths were represented.I have no interest in religion but I feel slightly uncomfortable with the mocking of religion. Pete is clearly a good guy and mocking faith seems unfair. It’s brave I think in a football forum to stand up for his beliefs
Agnosticism is some fence sitting bullshit. What else do you pontificate on the existence of without any evidence at all an significant evidence to the contrary?
All knowledge is belief, but religion is way past the same threshold we use every day for other stuff. Thinking the sun will come up tomorrow based on the preponderance of evidence doesn’t meant you have a religious belief in the sun.
Personally, I think it as bizarre to firmly believe there is no God as it is to firmly believe there is.
Has anybody said that? I think what most if not all have said is that there are no scientific bases to believe. That's quite a different thing. This is what atheism is: an opinion based on all knowledge and laws that no proof has been to shown that a God exists, any more than anything else outside of the known universe. It is not proof that God does not exist; it is proof that there is no evidence that a God exists.
Why is that coming up as my quote? That's a Mr Trench one isn't it? Weird.Has anybody said that? I think what most if not all have said is that there are no scientific bases to believe. That's quite a different thing. This is what atheism is: an opinion based on all knowledge and laws that no proof has been to shown that a God exists, any more than anything else outside of the known universe. It is not proof that God does not exist; it is proof that there is no evidence that a God exists.
It's also why agnosticism fails. If you are agnostic about the existence of God, given all knowledge and reason, then why believe in anything at all. You either believe on the basis of evidence and reason, or you adopt (something of) a faith.
Why is that coming up as my quote? That's a Mr Trench one isn't it? Weird.
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It's also why agnosticism fails. If you are agnostic about the existence of God, given all knowledge and reason, then why believe in anything at all. You either believe on the basis of evidence and reason, or you adopt (something of) a faith.
Why is that coming up as my quote? That's a Mr Trench one isn't it? Weird.
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I was brought up to attend church and Sunday school as well. I didn't actually lose my faith until I was 27.
There's also zero evidence that pink ponies with big blue wings do not exist .... but here we are
OK, so we may actually agree with each other but are getting in a muddle because of definition of terms. If that is the definition of an atheist, then what is the definition of an agnostic? Because I call myself an agnostic deliberately because I don't know and have no evidence either way.
I thought agnosticism was not believing there's a God, but kind of hoping there is one really.OK, so we may actually agree with each other but are getting in a muddle because of definition of terms. If that is the definition of an atheist, then what is the definition of an agnostic? Because I call myself an agnostic deliberately because I don't know and have no evidence either way.
Why is that coming up as my quote? That's a Mr Trench one isn't it? Weird.
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Yeh pretty much what I thought it was. I think its a perfectly reasonable stance.I thought agnosticism was not believing there's a God, but kind of hoping there is one really.
I can get on with that.
They wouldn't and that is part of the problemThe only religious person in here is Christian so people feel comfortable ridiculing it. Would be interesting to see if there were similar comments if a few other faiths were represented.
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Especially after City were so abject yesterday.Oh, and I understand how at moments of crisis, people hope there's something more out there.
Yeh pretty much what I thought it was. I think its a perfectly reasonable stance.
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* Edited in: So here's an example of some things that science cannot explain:
1. According to the big bang theory, the rate of increase of the Universe should be slowing. But it's accelerating.
2. According to The Theory of Relativity, nothing can move faster than the speed of light. However we know that entangled electrons appear to communicate with each other instantaneously, no matter how far apart they are.
3. Light appears to be both a wave and not a wave.
Possibly some some adjustment to existing theories would resolve these. However, I personally think that we're still miles away from understanding. And even when we understand that we may move from 0.000001% of knowledge to 0.0000015%.
Didn't see this post when I posted my divine intervention quip, apologies!Proof of divine intervention, maybe.
I thought agnosticism was not believing there's a God, but kind of hoping there is one really.
I can get on with that.
Atheism is actively disbelieving, and sure and certain there is no God.No, that's athesim.
Atheism is actively disbelieving, and sure and certain there is no God.
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