I think you're a mug if you buy a season ticket under sisu. They've taken us from the championship to league two, have some respect for yourself.
£13 per game is not unreasonable in the general national scheme of things. However given the recent performance of CCFC on & off the pitch and the way this news has been delivered it cant help but feel like a kick in the nuts for most fans.
Given that the club must have been aware of the strength of feeling about next season from season ticket holders you can not help but feel that CCFC directors & commercial department are completely out of touch with the clubs main source of income - the fans. It is an attitude of take it or leave it - a lot will leave it
Pure guess but I think the club will be doing well to sell over 3000 season tickets tickets. If so that's going to put average crowds at around 5000. That's going to be awful in a 32000 seater stadium, half of which is closed. It could of course change should the team be successful, but to do that Robins has to build a decent L2 squad in the first place
Will some of the shortfall be made up of people turning up on the day? well if the team does well possibly but wont that be countered by the lower levels of away fans attending. Look at the L2 table and there will be no local derbies and the average away fan numbers of those teams in L2 are not large in number.
An early bird seated season ticket at Nuneaton Town this season was 230 for 21 games (10.95 pg ) CCFC £299 for 23 games (£13 pg).
What happens if because of work, fixtures changes etc you miss say five games the price in effect goes up to £16.60 pg
Can not help but think like many others, a missed opportunity and poor interaction yet again. Still makes the reason for Mr Reid's article clearer I suppose - blame the poor performance of CCFC financially on the fans and specifically the Trust & other fans groups, when the reality is people are voting with their feet in the main, there is no great or organised financial campaign, and the club are helping the fans choice. There never has been a SBTrust plan, intention or 2 year plot to distress CCFC financially forcing administration then fans ownership, it was never even considered by the fans ownership planning. The constant reference to such scheming is ill informed nonsense
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Fisher in making his claim of 8th biggest budget for next season can only be comparing his projected budget estimate against this years L2 figures. We all know about Fisher projections of fan numbers don't we. That fisher budget will all change come next season when the real figures hit I suspect. Of course SISU are involved in setting budgets, why else is Laura Deering (a SISU employed number cruncher) a director of SBS&L and attending Otium directors meetings
in the 2015/16 accounts match day income was £2,314,567 on average crowds of 12570. Since then there was a price hike 25% so same crowds you would have expected £2.89m but of course crowd numbers dropped to a current 9085 estimated income match days (excluding Wembley) £2.09m 2016/17. I would think well below the budget set this time last year, bringing with it associated cash flow problems. So looking forward match day income on crowds of 5000 could be as low as 1.15m season 2017/18.
Other incomes in 2015/16 were 3.13m. TV, sponsorship, advertising shop etc. These are all going to be hit by the lower division and lower fans numbers. Would a reasonable guess be around £2m?
So turnover looks to me like it will be around 3.5m. The SCMP for L2 is 55% so that budget would seem to be around 1.9m (2015/16 estimated at 3.2m and 2016/17 a guess at similar depending on when Wembley windfall actually received) Thing is SCMP is based on when received not receivable - will CCFC receive the prize money before or after 31/05/2017? In any case SCMP is just a figure and doesn't mean it will get spent. Rules for FFP & SCMP are here Appendix 5 - Financial Fair Play Regulations
If the club has to be self sufficient there are direct costs, other wages and overheads to be paid out. That in itself restricts the cash available to spend on players and their wages even before SCMP does. In 2015/16 Direct costs were 1.1m Total staff costs 4.3m and overheads 1.8m. Those figures you would have expected to decrease this current year and will have to next season decrease even further. Only so much saving you can do on direct & Overheads some of those costs tend to be pretty fixed. Only conclusion I can draw is that they are expecting either additional funding (doesn't match with statements about owner funding) or player sales
Simply put CCFC have to be successful and challenging for promotion all season for it all to work financially - no pressure there then Mr Robins, I hope the financial assurances you got are in blood & set in stone
Just my opinion of course
Okay I'm over it and will be getting a ticket again in block 20. (Senior)
I just hope that they set a budget at 10,000 average for the season and buy the players to suit.
Okay at the start it will be much lower but with a top 3 budget, Mark Robins and the team at the top the fans will be back and the 10K, or more, will be achieved.
The worst thing they can do is base it on 5,000 (3,000 ST) initial turn out and provide a squad at that level and then muddlle around in mid table.
Come on CCFC/SISU are you clever enough ?
FWIW, Hereford FC are charging £207 for a seating season ticket for next year, in Southern Prem.
We are comparable to the majority of League 2 clubs, and have very limited other income streams (and I am not talking about owner investment, per se)
You want a budget for Robins to spend on the team, or not?
The owners have clearly stated it's not coming from them. I have seen and heard enough from them to believe that is their business model.The budget shortfall shouldn't have to come from us. We've put our hardearned in for long enough. The owners have put us into this position so it's down to them to get us out of it. Charge us less and they can make up the shortfall. If they can't then they know what they can do.
If bought a house for 300k, spent 50k building an extension that looked horrendous and wrecked the structural integrity I couldn't live there anymore and I'd have to move on and sell it for less than what I've put in.
I said on another thread I just cannot see how they can sustain income in the summer. At best they will get in around £60 - £80,000 through the turnstiles in the last two games and £600k in season ticket revenue (and that will need to cover some of the seasons costs). Same revenue for Wembley money so a max of £1.2m. That won't even cover the staff and overhead costs. So unless they can sell players where do we have any revenue to sign anyone? Some believe the club will bank reserves to cover the summer months. Pretty optimistic view if you ask me.
Numbers don't look good.
He's 24 now mate. I think it's about time he learnt his 'trade'I'm quite likely to buy a season ticket for me and the wife agin, but would be more likely to do so if we didn't have to listen to that twat who sits behind me and does nothing all match except moan about Lee Burge.
He also goes on about Tudgay but I don't disagree with him on that one.
Burge is still just a kid, and learning his trade.
Perhaps I'll buy a block of about 100 and sit in peace and quiet.
If we are at the top we will get 10K.so the current attendance is 9k average and we are going down ........ you want to base on a budget attendance of higher and spend money a self sufficient CCFC simply doesn't have or might never have............ and expect that to pass even the FL cursory scrutiny. The budget can be flexed but there are only two opportunities to spend it July to August and January. By time we get to July CCFC will be well aware of the uptake of ST's and therefore likely walk up sales too, to spend money they haven't got just risks total disaster. Now if SISU fund further that might be different..... they might fund a shortfall in an emergency requiring repayment on player sale but invest for the future? Sorry Italia the worst thing they can do is budget for 10000 knowing the likely figure is 5000
If we are at the top we will get 10K.
So are we planning to be at the top or not is the question ?
If we plan for 5K and buy the players to suit we are unlikely to get in the top 3 as we can't alter it until January.
We need to plan for success not failure. It's not as if the fan base is not there like a lot of clubs in D2.
It's a luxury we have in respect we have a lot of fans waiting in reserve.If we are top we will get more than 10K, I reckon.
Maybe they could state anybody that went to Wembley gets £50 off a season ticket (most season ticket holders anyway)
That will increase sales by a good thousand I would presume.
If we are at the top we will get 10K.
So are we planning to be at the top or not is the question ?
If we plan for 5K and buy the players to suit we are unlikely to get in the top 3 as we can't alter it until January.
We need to plan for success not failure. It's not as if the fan base is not there like a lot of clubs in D2.
The owners have clearly stated it's not coming from them. I have seen and heard enough from them to believe that is their business model.
I don't think they give a shit what you would do.
It isn't because of the owners. It is because of what they do. And until there is an improvement we will keep losing support.people aren't mugs because they choose to support their club.
I'm pretty sure everyone goes into it with their eyes open. Clearly fans care more about the club than the owners, but that shouldn't stop people going. We will be here long after they are
Nope, the only way we can get rid of sisu,(who are milking our club dry) and maybe see ccfc in the premier league again is if they sell 500 STs or less. But no, some people would rather go and watch Grimsby town at home.I think you should have respect for others point of view.
If you don't want to support Coventry City that's your choice, and believe it or not I understand that, but some support the club regardless of league position or ownership. Why? Because it is their club you mug.
Nope, the only way we can get rid of sisu,(who are milking our club dry) and maybe see ccfc in the premier league again is if they sell 500 STs or less. But no, some people would rather go and watch Grimsby town at home.
Nope, the only way we can get rid of sisu,(who are milking our club dry) and maybe see ccfc in the premier league again is if they sell 500 STs or less. But no, some people would rather go and watch Grimsby town at home.
Nope, the only way we can get rid of sisu,(who are milking our club dry) and maybe see ccfc in the premier league again is if they sell 500 STs or less. But no, some people would rather go and watch Grimsby town at home.
Nope, the only way we can get rid of sisu,(who are milking our club dry) and maybe see ccfc in the premier league again is if they sell 500 STs or less. But no, some people would rather go and watch Grimsby town at home.
You're supporting the death of a football team.Not sure you've got the hang of the whole supporting a football team lark.
Two swallows don't make a summer. But one swallow can make a mess.
Yes we need to plan for success. I have never planned in any other way. Looking at the L2 table of course we should plan to be top
Yes if we do well we could well get 10000 average, what if we don't?
So where is this cash flow to finance it coming from? If it is all front loaded in cost what if it doesn't go to plan what would you expect then? Who would you blame? Whose fault would the losses and greater debt be?
Budgets should be based on reasonable assumptions not sticking a wet finger in the air and hoping it works. Evidence at the moment points to far less than 10000 average gates
As discussed on another thread it isn't about throwing money at it, it is about how the money available is spent. Even on 5000 fans our SCMP budget will be better than most in L2 - but it is on what and how the money has been spent by the directors & owners that has led us to L2 in the first place
If Sisu go I'll happily pay £400 though. Not even joking. Even £450.
Surely at this point a £1m injection would be enough to get us out of the joke of a league we will find ourselves in? Would that not be worth it for the associated rise in attendances and goodwill? Staying a minute longer than necessary in L2 is unthinkable and with 3 automatic promotion slots available all at the club should be aiming at nothing else.
Chesterfield £18 per game premium £15 cheapest
Cheltenham £16.73 per game premium £11.73 cheapest.
Swindon £16.30 per game premium, £15 cheapest for existing fans.
Port Vale £15.65 per game premium £15 cheapest.
Shrewsbury £15.43 per game premium £12.39.
Coventry £15 per game premium, £13 cheapest
Crewe £12.18 per game
Hartlepool £10.86 per game
What's the issue? £13 cheapest ticket... buy or don't it's that simple.
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