ccfc92
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It's the typical reply to deflect away from the matter in hand.
Why not include the crusades while we are at it....
So me being British is the same as somebody who has joined Isis?
Are you being for real?
It’s not the last thing no. And support of an terrorist organisation is a crime! Do you think at 15 it’s possible to be manipulated by powerful groups and advertising and the promise of riches or validity. Look at the grooming gangs? Being 15 changes how she would be treated within the law for good reason. She should be held accountable for her actions not left to rot. I’d have more time for the arguments against if they were purely about money or a deterrent to others rather than because she’s evil. Is it not enough for you to know she’s lost her husband her 3 children and is in a refugee camp? What would be an appropriate punishment? Is it only state sanctioned murder that would suffice?
You're taking the piss right? Fair enough, 3 innocent children died and out of all of this, they're the only ones I have genuine sympathy for.
Her "husband" was an ISIS fighter and she was married to him within a few weeks!
Appropriate punishment would be her come back here and jailed for life for treason, imo.
I said that and I agree but we don’t dehumanise ourselves is what I was saying. What are we for?She dehumanised herself the minute she ran away to join ISIS.
I think I agree with that but would temper how old she was and what she’s actually responsible for herselfYou're taking the piss right? Fair enough, 3 innocent children died and out of all of this, they're the only ones I have genuine sympathy for.
Her "husband" was an ISIS fighter and she was married to him within a few weeks!
Appropriate punishment would be her come back here and jailed for life for treason, imo.
I am genuinely interested in others opinions. You can just stick with your own with your hands over your eyes and fingers in your ears if you likeIgnore Pete, he enjoys pissing people off talking absolute bollocks to get a reaction
I am genuinely interested in others opinions. You can just stick with your own with your hands over your eyes and fingers in your ears if you like
So you admit that she continued to do things wrong after the age of 15 yet use the age of 15 as an excuse.It’s not the last thing no. And support of an terrorist organisation is a crime! Do you think at 15 it’s possible to be manipulated by powerful groups and advertising and the promise of riches or validity. Look at the grooming gangs? Being 15 changes how she would be treated within the law for good reason. She should be held accountable for her actions not left to rot. I’d have more time for the arguments against if they were purely about money or a deterrent to others rather than because she’s evil. Is it not enough for you to know she’s lost her husband her 3 children and is in a refugee camp? What would be an appropriate punishment? Is it only state sanctioned murder that would suffice?
I said that and I agree but we don’t dehumanise ourselves is what I was saying. What are we for?
I think I agree with that but would temper how old she was and what she’s actually responsible for herself
Just shows how weak any argument for bringing terrorists back to the UK is after they leave to become terrorists.Why would I dehumanise myself because of something the country I was born in did something years ago?
It's a completely different scenario for me choosing to be part of something like that.
She dehumanised herself the minute she ran away to join ISIS.
Well said. My thoughts exactly.For me the initial decision at 15 to join ISIS when she may well have been impressionable and manipulated could potentially be forgiven.
However after 4 years of seeing what they've done first hand and still not showing any remorse and still seeming to show all the hallmarks of an extremist negates that. Had she been "I've made a terrible mistake and I want to warn others of the dangers of joining and how they manipulate you" she'd be getting a lot more sympathy but she isn't doing that. She doing it to save her own skin because her husband is dead and as a woman under Islamic rule she has virtually no rights and is a second class citizen. The fact that she expects more compassion from those she sees as her enemies than from her own religion should really be a wake up call.
She didn’t cut someone’s head offHow would you describe someone who cuts people's fucking heads off?
She didn’t cut someone’s head off
Sorry I wasn’t clear we dehumanise ourselves saying she should have a bullet in her headWhy would I dehumanise myself because of something the country I was born in did something years ago?
It's a completely different scenario for me choosing to be part of something like that.
For me the initial decision at 15 to join ISIS when she may well have been impressionable and manipulated could potentially be forgiven.
However after 4 years of seeing what they've done first hand and still not showing any remorse and still seeming to show all the hallmarks of an extremist negates that. Had she been "I've made a terrible mistake and I want to warn others of the dangers of joining and how they manipulate you" she'd be getting a lot more sympathy but she isn't doing that. She doing it to save her own skin because her husband is dead and as a woman under Islamic rule she has virtually no rights and is a second class citizen. The fact that she expects more compassion from those she sees as her enemies than from her own religion should really be a wake up call.
Sorry I wasn’t clear we dehumanise ourselves saying she should have a bullet in her head
Did she? I didn’t know thatNo, she only stitched suicide vests to people.
Also, allowed to carry an AK, so I am sure she never used it....
Just shows how weak any argument for bringing terrorists back to the UK is after they leave to become terrorists.
To me someone should be tried where they committed their crimes. Who is the fool for committing crimes where there is worse punishment than here in the UK?
Just shows how weak any argument for bringing terrorists back to the UK is after they leave to become terrorists.
To me someone should be tried where they committed their crimes. Who is the fool for committing crimes where there is worse punishment than here in the UK?
No it’s not black and white. One can maintain our humanity and expect her to face the consequences for her actionsReally? Maybe we can give her a cuddle, a house and all the benefits of the country she went to plot against?
So if she got her citizenship back would she stand to trial and if so where?there's a difference between trying someone for their crimes in the country they committed them in, (which I have no problem with), and stripping them of their citizenship which is the issue which has put her back in the news.
So if she got her citizenship back would she stand to trial and if so where?
So if she got her citizenship back would she stand to trial and if so where?
Did she? I didn’t know that
Yes, served in the ISIS Morality Police and was known as a strict enforcer.
So basically went around enforcing Sharia Law, so I'm sure she didn't harm a hair on anyone's head...
If there is supporting evidence for this then clearly that can be considered in a court of law
If there is supporting evidence for this then clearly that can be considered in a court of law
I've no idea, I don't think it's even clear that she has committed any crime though it's clear she is a wrong 'un, just not comfortable with revoking citizenship in an ad hoc way.
This isn't about protecting her rights, it's about protecting everybody's.
If she retained her UK citizenship she'd have joined a terrorist group. Of course again the age thing would crop up, but I'm sure the prosecution would do their best to show she still held extremist views as an adult.
Just shows how weak any argument for bringing terrorists back to the UK is after they leave to become terrorists.
To me someone should be tried where they committed their crimes. Who is the fool for committing crimes where there is worse punishment than here in the UK?
So let me get this right.You think the Syrian justice system is fully functional right now?
It was on us to not spread our dickheads around the world, we didn’t, it’s on us to clean them up.
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