"Turns slower than milk" now that phrase seems to fit 'our fans opiniions on players'.
It was not that long ago Kelly was deemed to be a League 2 player not good enough for League 1. Then he was going to be too slow for the Championship.
Sheaf is still a young player and one capable of developing. A few on here seem determined to prove themselves right about players. They seem so determined to spot the mistakes they miss the good bits.
The best example of people jumping off a cliff about a player before giving him the chance he deserved was Wilson.
O'Hare (51) and hamer (83) were also in midfield.Sheaf is deployed where he will inevitably see more of the ball. Be interesting to see how much ground Allen covered compared to Sheaf...
I had high hopes for Allen last year...not really done it yet but tonight he made fewer mistakes and looked more confident. Credit him with having an improved performance.
I like Sheaf and thought he was ok tonight. He’s played better...I think he will be a very good player.
Stick to the stand up
He is neither of those things nor is his role. Kelly (albeit he scored two in his last game but hadnt for over 100 games previous to that) does neither of those things. For what it's worth. Sheaf = 0.4 successful dribbles per game. Kelly 0.1 per game.I think the point is.. he's played quite a lot now.. Cant really ever remember him really looking like scoring, ever really going past a player and making something happen.
I very rarely criticise players. In fact I usually champion players that are getting stick but I just don't see it with Sheaf. Just can't see what he offers. Doesn't unlock defences, doesn't ever look like scoring, doesn't break play. Work rate is poor. Just don't get it.
Fair enough but I think they all have different roles, no?O'Hare (51) and hamer (83) were also in midfield.
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anyone clock the deliberate handball he made in the middle of the park to stop a Huddersfield attack, was quite savvy quick thinking. Hamer came over and gave him a hi-five
I recon he is an intelligent player needs games and time to sharpen up and cut out errors. We mustn't forget apart from youth football he had only played 42 games of senior football before he joined us. All for clubs in leagues 1 and 2, so its massive learning curve for him, he is doing fine.
Can think of 3 occasions. You are suggesting it’s a lot moreThat's probably exactly why, because he is always trying to do the right thing, bring the ball down & play. Unless you think Arsenal teach their young midfield players to hoof it every time they get it?
At lower levels teams don't give you so much time on the ball, he'll get there.
How often was he caught in possession tonight?
Can think of 3 occasions. You are suggesting it’s a lot more
He is neither of those things nor is his role. Kelly (albeit he scored two in his last game but hadnt for over 100 games previous to that) does neither of those things. For what it's worth. Sheaf = 0.4 successful dribbles per game. Kelly 0.1 per game.
Breaking up play.
Kelly 2 interceptions per game, Sheaf 1.4.
Tackles: Kelly 1.2, Sheaf 2.1.
Creating:
Sheaf 2 big chances created, 0.6 key passes per game
Kelly 1 big chance createde, 0.6 key passes per game
Kelly pass completion 72%
Sheaf pass completion 84%
Ah ok. Yep definitely the one in the first half and then the one where he was fouled for their shot near the end of the game.Quite the opposite, I can only think of one (for their shot in the first half).
I'll check stats later but can almost guarantee its less than most other players.
Couldn't agree more. Also, that wasn't aimed at a criticism of Kelly at all, just a comparison. Kelly runs around a lot and looks busy, a bit like Jim O'Brien used to. Huge caveat that Kelly's positional sense and all round game is far superior. Sheaf is more languid and less panicked which seems to make people think he doesn't care or isn't interested. As a general rule, our fan base tend to prefer all action heroes over technical ability. For what it's worth, I don't think Sheaf has been exceptionally good, more that he's not been anywhere near as bad as some have seemed to suggest.I swear this is all about running gait.
Kelly “feels” more like a terrier and Sheaf “feels” lackadaisical. But it’s just not true.
Lanky, slim players always have to put up with this.I swear this is all about running gait.
Kelly “feels” more like a terrier and Sheaf “feels” lackadaisical. But it’s just not true.
Lanky, slim players always have to put up with this.
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He accepted Facebook friend requests so he got away with it.Having little legs is the pre internet version of being on social media: cheat code to the fans’ hearts.
Andy Morrell: legend. Leon Best: lazy
Liam Kelly: legend. Ben Sheaf: lazy
Ryan Giles: rapid. Bakayoko: lazy
Carl Baker is the only known example of breaking this rule.
If we can get Ben Whiteman in to play with himStill not sure how I feel about sheaf, he has decent passing range and a tidy touch but really not too much else alot of the time, not aggressive enough, no pace at all, carelessly sloppy in key areas... I dont know probably wrong but just don't see it, wouldn't pay the fee at the end of the season
If we can get Ben Whiteman in to play with him
Were an excellent duo at Donny.
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He is. He's also olderThink whiteman is just a better player tbh
Yeah, I'm currently reserving judgement on him. Am not convinced tbh, but he's not been so shoddy (and he's not played *that* many games) that it's worth writing him off, either.For what it's worth, I don't think Sheaf has been exceptionally good, more that he's not been anywhere near as bad as some have seemed to suggest.
He is neither of those things nor is his role. Kelly (albeit he scored two in his last game but hadnt for over 100 games previous to that) does neither of those things. For what it's worth. Sheaf = 0.4 successful dribbles per game. Kelly 0.1 per game.
Breaking up play.
Kelly 2 interceptions per game, Sheaf 1.4.
Tackles: Kelly 1.2, Sheaf 2.1.
Creating:
Sheaf 2 big chances created, 0.6 key passes per game
Kelly 1 big chance createde, 0.6 key passes per game
Kelly pass completion 72%
Sheaf pass completion 84%
Still not sure how I feel about sheaf, has decent passing range and a tidy touch but really not too much else alot of the time, not aggressive enough, no pace at all, carelessly sloppy in key areas... I dont know probably wrong but just don't see it, wouldn't pay the fee at the end of the season
Didn't realize Hamer was that oldO'Hare (51) and hamer (83) were also in midfield.
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Think whiteman is just a better player tbh
I mean statistically I'm a stayer in bed but my performances are often sub parStatistically Sheaf was better in most metrics.
They formed a very good partnership though.
If it's under five times a night (Ralph Helpern, Fiona Wright) it's a fail,if having a lie in on the other hand.I mean statistically I'm a stayer in bed but my performances are often sub par
3 hours until I decide if he's any good....
I should never have changed my first one, I've scoured Google images but can't find it anywhere.your new avatar is unnerving. Don't be looking at that for too long when you're on the mushrooms!
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