Sheaf (4 Viewers)

Terry_dactyl · Dec 16, 2020

cc84cov said:
Allen started well still didn’t impose himself enough

I Thought Allen was decent tonight

ms639 · Dec 16, 2020

Magwitch said:
Absolute rubbish about Allen

Allen offers nothing at this level, too lightweight, not creative. Runs around a lot with no end product. With kels and hamer out of much rather see him go with da Costa than Allen, at least he’s an unknown quantity rather than a known traffic cone

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mark82 · Dec 16, 2020

What did Sheaf do wrong tonight? People desperate to hate him because he smiled at Arsenal training in the summer.

ms639 · Dec 16, 2020

mark82 said:
What did Sheaf do wrong tonight? People desperate to hate him because he smiled at Arsenal training in the summer.

The hatred of him is weird. 22 years old, has had a mixed bag of performances but the way some go on about him on here you’d think he was Tim Sherwood a la Peter Reid days

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Nick · Dec 16, 2020

I don't think he was that bad

speedie87 · Dec 16, 2020

mark82 said:
What did Sheaf do wrong tonight? People desperate to hate him because he smiled at Arsenal training in the summer.

Lost the ball off camera first half from a throw that led the the Wilson save.
Had lucky escape with pass that nearly bounced off bloke closing down
Didn’t go in for tackle that led to the Wilson save 2nd half

Frostie · Dec 16, 2020

mark82 said:
What did Sheaf do wrong tonight? People desperate to hate him because he smiled at Arsenal training in the summer.

He made that one mistake early on, that's it.
Sadly that's all it takes for a lot of 'supporters' as his card is already marked.

He struggled to get involved much first half but much improved in the second. Broke up play a lot, 2 or 3 really good tackles & passed accurately & with purpose.

Alkhen · Dec 16, 2020

I thought he did well, not flashy so people won't get excited about him. Has a few mistakes in him for sure but is only 22 and the Championship is a big step up. He will be a good player

stupot07 · Dec 16, 2020

In 90 minutes Sheaf had 47 touches compared to Allen who had 26 touches. People are having a pop at sheaf as he was involved, after the first 20 minutes Allen was anonymous.

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stay_up_skyblues · Dec 16, 2020

Thought he was ok tonight. Got caught out on the ball a few times as he does but broke up the play well. Similar to his first three or four performances following which he improved dramatically. He then sat out a few and has come back a touch behind. I expect he will improve again over the next couple of games.

Speedies_Chips · Dec 16, 2020

speedie87 said:
Lost the ball off camera first half from a throw that led the the Wilson save.
Had lucky escape with pass that nearly bounced off bloke closing down
Didn’t go in for tackle that led to the Wilson save 2nd half

He didn’t go for that tackle as he got slated by Robins for giving the penalty away against Rotherham and has been told not to make tackles in our own area.
The lad can’t win with some of you.

Terry_dactyl · Dec 16, 2020

stupot07 said:
In 90 minutes Sheaf had 47 touches compared to Allen who had 26 touches. People are having a pop at sheaf as he was involved, after the first 20 minutes Allen was anonymous.

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Sheaf is deployed where he will inevitably see more of the ball. Be interesting to see how much ground Allen covered compared to Sheaf...
I had high hopes for Allen last year...not really done it yet but tonight he made fewer mistakes and looked more confident. Credit him with having an improved performance.
I like Sheaf and thought he was ok tonight. He’s played better...I think he will be a very good player.

cc84cov · Dec 16, 2020

For a lad who’s come through top academy’s I’m stunned how often he gets caught in possession

Frostie · Dec 17, 2020

cc84cov said:
For a lad who’s come through top academy’s I’m stunned how often he gets caught in possession

That's probably exactly why, because he is always trying to do the right thing, bring the ball down & play. Unless you think Arsenal teach their young midfield players to hoof it every time they get it?

At lower levels teams don't give you so much time on the ball, he'll get there.

How often was he caught in possession tonight?

covcity4life · Dec 17, 2020

mark82 said:
What did Sheaf do wrong tonight? People desperate to hate him because he smiled at Arsenal training in the summer.

He did fine today. Had a good game. This forum is judt a reflection of society

Going downhill

SleepyGinger · Dec 17, 2020

Big chance for sheaf now with Kelly out, hope he takes it. There’s definitely a player in him.

Il Pirata · Dec 17, 2020

cc84cov said:
For a lad who’s come through top academy’s I’m stunned how often he gets caught in possession

Turns slower than milk. Always on his heels because his awareness of things around him is so poor. That's something that becomes a bigger problem the higher you go in the football ladder.

He has decent technique and is not a bad player, but he's not what we need in midfield. Too slow upstairs. Paired with Allen's physical weakness it's a bad combination.

AFCCOVENTRY · Dec 17, 2020

Il Pirata said:
Turns slower than milk. Always on his heels because his awareness of things around him is so poor. That's something that becomes a bigger problem the higher you go in the football ladder.

He has decent technique and is not a bad player, but he's not what we need in midfield. Too slow upstairs. Paired with Allen's physical weakness it's a bad combination.

We have an obligation to buy Sheaf at the end of the season.

superskyblue · Dec 17, 2020

Sheaf was shaky first half but got much better in the second half and did well. Seems to be somebody who starts slowly when getting up to match speed but he's got a great opportunity to put a run of games together now. A lot of fans will conflate his calmness with laziness. He will come good. I'm certain of it.

SleepyGinger · Dec 17, 2020

I remember similar things being said about Walsh at the start of last season. Sheaf can be lackadaisical in possession but hopefully after a run in the team he gets sharper. He’s good defensively wins a lot of headers from defensive set pieces and usually strong in the tackle although he did seem to bottle one last night and has a good passing range I think a lot will be eating their words in a few weeks time.

Colin Steins Smile · Dec 17, 2020

Whilst he has got caught in possession on occasions, I thought that last night he provided a lot of cover for our back three - especially in the air

Yorkshire SB · Dec 17, 2020

Needs consecutive games to be sharp, he wasn’t great in his first two games for us, then he put in three brilliant performances and arguably our best player in two of them. He’s never played at this level before and he’s playing a role where you can look stupid if caught in possession. Also needs confidence to be on the ball and showing for it all the time, and being dropped doesn’t help, though part of football.

Also if there’s a suggestion he bottled the challenge that fell to Pritchard late on, then I think that’s unfair, other player dived in studs up and the ref gave nothing.

Major concern for me last night was how poor Tyler Walker was, but there isn’t a thread on that.

The Philosopher · Dec 17, 2020

The common theme seems to either be:

He’s like a bucket of shite without the bucket.

Or.

He’s sometimes like a bucket of shite but does some things well and he’ll learn and shows promise.

In the latter case; this is the Championship.

He could have done with a bit more L1 / SPL or whatever time to get used to the fact that you can’t dwell on the ball guess a pass, leave a tackle, jog back. The Championship is not a development league.

If anyone has hurty-feelings-by-proxi by reading the above then so be it. Enjoy.

KenilworthSkyBlue · Dec 17, 2020

AFCCOVENTRY said:
We have an obligation to buy Sheaf at the end of the season.

If we stay in the Championship.

cc84cov · Dec 17, 2020

Frostie said:
That's probably exactly why, because he is always trying to do the right thing, bring the ball down & play. Unless you think Arsenal teach their young midfield players to hoof it every time they get it?

At lower levels teams don't give you so much time on the ball, he'll get there.

How often was he caught in possession tonight?

You don’t need to hoof it mate just move it quicker use the ball faster,quicken things up

cov donkey kick · Dec 17, 2020

Now is his time to perform more so with hamer missing also he seems at times to get caught in possession but he's still learning, but this division is unforgiving and sat v sheff we'd we need to keep bannan quiet who' on his day is a match winner so no pressure sheaf.

Il Pirata · Dec 17, 2020

AFCCOVENTRY said:
We have an obligation to buy Sheaf at the end of the season.

Now you're just trying to cheer me up.

Grendel · Dec 17, 2020

AFCCOVENTRY said:
We have an obligation to buy Sheaf at the end of the season.

Where have you read that? Says an option here

TRANSFER: Ben Sheaf joins Coventry City!

Coventry City have signed midfielder Ben Sheaf on loan from Arsenal!

www.ccfc.co.uk

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 17, 2020

The Philosopher said:
The common theme seems to either be:

He’s like a bucket of shite without the bucket.

Or.

He’s sometimes like a bucket of shite but does some things well and he’ll learn and shows promise.

In the latter case; this is the Championship.

He could have done with a bit more L1 / SPL or whatever time to get used to the fact that you can’t dwell on the ball guess a pass, leave a tackle, jog back. The Championship is not a development league.

If anyone has hurty-feelings-by-proxi by reading the above then so be it. Enjoy.

Spoken like Socrates himself

Frostie · Dec 17, 2020

Grendel said:
Where have you read that? Says an option here

TRANSFER: Ben Sheaf joins Coventry City!

Coventry City have signed midfielder Ben Sheaf on loan from Arsenal!

www.ccfc.co.uk

Redirect Notice

KenilworthSkyBlue · Dec 17, 2020

Grendel said:
Where have you read that? Says an option here

TRANSFER: Ben Sheaf joins Coventry City!

Coventry City have signed midfielder Ben Sheaf on loan from Arsenal!

www.ccfc.co.uk

It's an obligation if certain criteria is met. Robins has confirmed it himself.

Sky Blues have 'obligation' not 'option' to buy Ben Sheaf

Arsenal midfielder Ben Sheaf has become Coventry City's ninth summer signing

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Alkhen · Dec 17, 2020

anyone clock the deliberate handball he made in the middle of the park to stop a Huddersfield attack, was quite savvy quick thinking. Hamer came over and gave him a hi-five

I recon he is an intelligent player needs games and time to sharpen up and cut out errors. We mustn't forget apart from youth football he had only played 42 games of senior football before he joined us. All for clubs in leagues 1 and 2, so its massive learning curve for him, he is doing fine.

Paxman II · Dec 17, 2020

Getting on a players back is not what we should do when it's not really called for. Sheaf has a game that many refuse to see. He often has a clearance, a tackle or iterception just at the right time and breaks down opposition play. But yes he has a blind spot in that he spreads a pass and it goes either to an opposition player or immediately puts his own player under undue pressure. He needs to rid himself of that by concentrating more and like when he has his pocket picked occasionally, He is slow and not concentrating. Overall it's something to work on. Just saying he is only 22 is absurd. 17/18 I'd buy that but not 22. He has a good player in him as he sees a pass and I'd actually like to see him more forward at times. He will improve dramatically over a season.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Dec 17, 2020

The Philosopher said:
The common theme seems to either be:

He’s like a bucket of shite without the bucket.

Or.

He’s sometimes like a bucket of shite but does some things well and he’ll learn and shows promise.

In the latter case; this is the Championship.

He could have done with a bit more L1 / SPL or whatever time to get used to the fact that you can’t dwell on the ball guess a pass, leave a tackle, jog back. The Championship is not a development league.

If anyone has hurty-feelings-by-proxi by reading the above then so be it. Enjoy.

This is where our model falls down. It isn’t a development league.

for what it’s worth I like Sheaf, I think as someone said - he likes to get it down and play but at times he seems to think he has more time on the ball.

if we stay in the championship and he develops alongside us - he’ll get used to the level and will benefit us long term.

Hobo · Dec 17, 2020

"Turns slower than milk" now that phrase seems to fit 'our fans opiniions on players'.

It was not that long ago Kelly was deemed to be a League 2 player not good enough for League 1. Then he was going to be too slow for the Championship.

Sheaf is still a young player and one capable of developing. A few on here seem determined to prove themselves right about players. They seem so determined to spot the mistakes they miss the good bits.

The best example of people jumping off a cliff about a player before giving him the chance he deserved was Wilson.

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