Games in hand only count if they get points in them. Example Boro play Sheffield United tonight in 1 of theirs and West Brom play Blackburn. Goal difference is only hugely inferior in reality to West Brom and Boro but we still have to play them both anyway.Well that’s the other side is you’re hoping no one else picks up form, which seems unlikely. Ultimately we have 4-6 points to make up once games in hand and goal difference is accounted for. So we need to be that much better than 5-10th. It’s a big ask.
I imagine we'll start in the same formation we finished with last night. Fancy a win to keep momentum going
The teams all around us have to play each other. Just like tonight is 5th against 6th.Got draw written all over it this has. Which is take but we need a win to keep the playoff dream alive really.
Exactly, ain't Karma a bitch? hahahahha
Not one to wish injury on anybody really, but this was the dirty shithouse who elbowed Jamie Allen and ruled him out for the rest of last season - so fuck him
Because we need to win the majority of this block of six. If we drop points here we need to pick them up in harder games like Sheff Utd and Sunderland. We can maybe afford to not win one of the six IMO.
We heard all this the season we made the play offs.
We'd fucked it when we lost to Stoke, when we drew with Wigan etc.
But we still got to the final.
We're in a good position and in good form but there will be blips. And in all liklihood all the teams around us will have blips as well.
I can't see anyone steam rolling through their remaining fixtures without a few shock adverse results.
In fairness, in many other seasons, those results would have ended our chances, but as it panned out that season all the other teams kept dropping points too, so we were able to sneak in with a relatively low points total due to our run at the end. If other teams hadn't been in such indifferent form it would have been out of our hands.We heard all this the season we made the play offs.
We'd fucked it when we lost to Stoke, when we drew with Wigan etc.
But we still got to the final.
We're in a good position and in good form but there will be blips. And in all liklihood all the teams around us will have blips as well.
I can't see anyone steam rolling through their remaining fixtures without a few shock adverse results.
If we win on Saturday we will have won as many games at their place this year as they have.
Your recall is flawed. Gyokeres scored for us in a 1-1 draw.We need to get another 26-27 points at least. As much as you might say the initial block of games present the easiest route to them they are not the only route.
I am just recalling going to watch us play and draw 0-0 at Wigan in March 2023, where Hamer missed a great chance in the last minute. As much as it might have felt like the dream was over at that point, it definitely wasn't.
Did you say it twice so he remembers this time?Your recall is flawed. Gyokeres scored for us in a 1-1 draw.
In fairness, in many other seasons, those results would have ended our chances, but as it panned out that season all the other teams kept dropping points too, so we were able to sneak in with a relatively low points total due to our run at the end. If other teams hadn't been in such indifferent form it would have been out of our hands.
So it's difficult to predict, we just have to pick up as many points as we can and hope it's enough depending on other teams. Some seasons it's more, some it's less. We can't dictate how many teams go on a mad run in the last 5-10 games, we just have to make sure we're one of them.
They are all a mixture of games but consider that more teams have things to play for this season. There are potentially 8-10 teams for the play off spots and then around 6-7 teams for relegation plus the top 4 who are always difficult.That’s why you deal with what’s in front of you rather than looking at historic averages. It was pretty clear in 22/23 that the points table was going to be lower than usual.
This season, WBA will sacrifice consistency under Mowbray (versus Corberan) and Balckburn are on a downward trajectory. Everything is to play for.
Looking at the state of the table now, the teams most likely to finish 5th and 6th will be; WBA, Blackburn, Norwich, Middlesborough and ourselves. You can’t discount Sheff Wednesday or Bristol Coty either but think they’ll finish where they are right now.
We’re in control of our destiny because we have Middlesborough, WBA and Sunderland at home. Our home form under Lampard has turned around dramatically which bodes v well for when we play the top half teams.
Our away fixtures are generous too, of the 7 away games left, we play the bottom 4 and Oxford who are in the bottom half. Our hardest away games are both Sheffield teams, on paper.
Without analysing the other teams fixtures, we may have the ‘easiest’ run in.
Can’t be many left, would like to think the last few will shift on the back of a win last nightAnyone got an update on our ticket sales for this game?
Agree, we need to focus on our own results, looking at the fixtures and state of the table can be an indication, but sometimes it's impossible to predict a team like Sheff W or Bristol winning 4 games in a row out of nowhere. It's only really when you get to the 'run in' when you can start trying to calculate and predict other teams results and points and work out what is needed. But then the last few games can throw up weird results, because an on paper tough game against someone like Leeds, may become easier than a game against an on paper crap team because Leeds may be already promoted with nothing to play for, and the other team may be fighting for their lives. The easier games at the end tend to be against mid table teams who are 'on the beach' rather than a team who may be down the bottom, so weird results and runs can be achieved at that stage of the season.That’s why you deal with what’s in front of you rather than looking at historic averages. It was pretty clear in 22/23 that the points table was going to be lower than usual.
This season, WBA will sacrifice consistency under Mowbray (versus Corberan) and Balckburn are on a downward trajectory. Everything is to play for.
Looking at the state of the table now, the teams most likely to finish 5th and 6th will be; WBA, Blackburn, Norwich, Middlesborough and ourselves. You can’t discount Sheff Wednesday or Bristol Coty either but think they’ll finish where they are right now.
We’re in control of our destiny because we have Middlesborough, WBA and Sunderland at home. Our home form under Lampard has turned around dramatically which bodes v well for when we play the top half teams.
Our away fixtures are generous too, of the 7 away games left, we play the bottom 4 and Oxford who are in the bottom half. Our hardest away games are both Sheffield teams, on paper.
Without analysing the other teams fixtures, we may have the ‘easiest’ run in.
Your recall is flawed. Gyokeres scored for us in a 1-1 draw.
4,000? That would be immense.Can’t be many left, would like to think the last few will shift on the back of a win last night
You don’t get 4000 at Hillsborough anymore, initial allocation was 2000 then we got given en extra 1500 or so4,000? That would be immense.
Its pretty much 4k - initial allocation was circa 2500 with another 1500 ish on top - its just under 4k.You don’t get 4000 at Hillsborough anymore, initial allocation was 2000 then we got given en extra 1500 or so
Don't forget QPR. They were at the bottom with us and their results have improved with ours. They may be in 13th but are only 3 points behind us. If they had won last night it would be them in 8th and us in 13th.That’s why you deal with what’s in front of you rather than looking at historic averages. It was pretty clear in 22/23 that the points table was going to be lower than usual.
This season, WBA will sacrifice consistency under Mowbray (versus Corberan) and Balckburn are on a downward trajectory. Everything is to play for.
Looking at the state of the table now, the teams most likely to finish 5th and 6th will be; WBA, Blackburn, Norwich, Middlesborough and ourselves. You can’t discount Sheff Wednesday or Bristol Coty either but think they’ll finish where they are right now.
We’re in control of our destiny because we have Middlesborough, WBA and Sunderland at home. Our home form under Lampard has turned around dramatically which bodes v well for when we play the top half teams.
Our away fixtures are generous too, of the 7 away games left, we play the bottom 4 and Oxford who are in the bottom half. Our hardest away games are both Sheffield teams, on paper.
Without analysing the other teams fixtures, we may have the ‘easiest’ run in.
Don't forget QPR. They were at the bottom with us and their results have improved with ours. They may be in 13th but are only 3 points behind us. If they had won last night it would be them in 8th and us in 13th.
No wins at home in November? Does beating Norwich 2.0 not count then.They won once at home in October. No wins at home in November. They won once in December. Their last win at home was January 1st.
That's poor by any standard.
thats all they gave us ???Only 3.1k sold, thought we would have sold a few more than that
By my basic maths we had up to 3.9k. Initial allocation was 2.4k then another 1.5k - assume this is the bottom tierthats all they gave us ???
Allocation was 3.9K. Gonna be quite empty in that lower tier.thats all they gave us ???
Oh my only 3000+Only 3.1k sold, thought we would have sold a few more than that
What odds would you have got for Plymouth to beat Liverpool and then smash Millwall 5-1You’re right, but their form has tailed off a bit. After last night it’s 3 losses in 5 and they have -6 goal difference
On form, Millwall and our old mates PNE are doing well atm and we have next at home. They’re probably the outside bets atm.
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