Yes but you cant be naive to suggest that if we keep winning that attendances wont keep growing. There will always be them people who will just want to watch a game of football and not into the politics. If not one single Coventry supporter went to Northampton then yes id agree that NOPM could work on the grounds of a STATEMENT however that will never be the case there will always be people who attend, you must know that? The campaign is istantly flawed. Other than that the figures simply do not add up that NOPM will force SISU out. There are better ways to vent our frustration and better ways to make something happen. I think that the NOPM is dangerously close to people just sitting back and shouting NOPM from their sofas
Coventry population - 316,900
Disgruntled, falling fan base. irretrievable relationship with council and some fans.
Croydon (no official football team) population - 330, 688
Coventry Croydon FC - or CCFC.
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What is obvious is the investors aren't prepared to part with their cash to invest in either players that would of kept us in the championship, or to pay for a half share in a Football stadium/leisure complex, so what good are they to us as owners?This is what people arent understanding. We dont know who the investers are. However they kept the club alive when they joined, put another 45,000,000 into the club and are still losing money. Somehow Joy and Tim are convincing them to keep investing. They will not sell as they have had many opportunities to even when we were right in the shit. Nothing suggests they will sell at the minute. We may have to talk to them but we need someone on the board
It will not encourage them to stay, nor encourage them to do otherwise than come back to the city for home games at the earliest opportunity once they start to feel it. One game will make little difference & they'll happily make whatever excuses they feel they can/need to to justify their actions.
That's a no then?
50,000,000 so far, when do you suggest this cut off point is?
SISU are not franchising the club. That would make no sense. Coventry would then be the biggest team without a league football club in the UK.
However, SISU are ruining the identity of this club with their power games. NOPM is a small act that a powerless people have.
Just thought I should mention that I live in Halesowen, and this town plus Stourbridge and DFudley are Wolves and West Brom territory with a scattering of Villa and Blue noses, as for Smethwick I think you will find that is part of the old West Bromwich. There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that a franchise club could / would survive so cross it off your list.Yes but everywhere has wider catchment areas FOR EXAMPLE- Dudley has Stourbridge, Smethwick, Halesowen, harborne etc... I know halesowen has a team but they are not better than Nuneaton Town
Coventry population - 316,900
Disgruntled, falling fan base. irretrievable relationship with council and some fans.
Dudley (No football team) population - 310,800
Have 1 sh*t team playing 8 rings below the league and they finished bottom.
Croydon (no official football team) population - 330, 688
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Look at tonights telegraph, full page spread. Stay determined NOPM!!!!!!!!!!
Bazza, I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not undermining NOPM. NOPM is a passive act that is really the only way of hurting SISU. There are no legal 'big' acts that we can do. My point was: it is all we can do. A penny is not a great amount....but if everyone does it then it will have an impact!
As you rightly say though, the damage they are doing to the 'brand' and more importantly, future generations of 'lost' fans is huge!
really struggling to comprehend some posters on here.
Money is their lifeblood, investors are pulling funds, they make bugger all profit, they are NOT going to support the club forever, but after only a cpl of games its not working, ffs - grow up. People have different opinions which is fair enough, but all this petty bitching and sniping is tedious. Their business is investments on behalf of clients, if their returns are shit investors wont invest and they have no business, its not rocket science. So prob their biggest investment wont make a return in at least 5 years (after losing millions over the last 6 years) - would YOU put your money with them? SISU have proven they are no good for the club, so even if we did return to Cov they would still be no good for the club - a leapord doesnt change its spots. Another point worth noting is that to attract new investment a min 3 year track record is required - how do you think the last 3 years has gone for them?
So stop fucking moaning at those who believe that starving sisu of income will, in the long term, be best for the club - as at the end of the day the club is everyone's priority.
Rant over.
The common denominator is we all want SISU gone, I just have a different opinion on the way in which we will achieve that. Its not moaning my friend its having a different opinion. Thats the whole point of a forum if im not mistaken?
I wasnt directing this at you in particular, but reading through every thread it usually desends into pettiness....we all want the same thing agreed and we all have differing opinions which I allude to in my post.
Personally I think NOPM might work, my whole rant was against those that dismiss it totally out of hand when there is good reason to believe in its merits, or those that just want to have a pop and point score.
I agree that NOPM could work if it was adopted by 99% of our supporters and was marketed successfully to other clubs who would also adopt our stance. I also agree with it morally. If people werent going because they were angry that the club left Coventry then its completely right that they shouldnt attend. The problem I find is the campaign has been marketed as a way in which we can rid ourselves of our torrid owners. Im not convinced that this is the case. These are my issues
1) Fans of other clubs would not adopt our stance and will always go to support theirs in Northampton (4 years ago we would of done the same)
2) I Dont know why SISU would of kept the club when they had the opportunity to sell a couple of months ago when we were in admin, under an embargo, haemorrhaging money, out of he Ricoh and with offers on the table. I cant see why they would of spent more money trying to get a groundshare stadium and the rest of it when they had offers on the table.
3) with that in mind, I think it will harm the club way before it effects the owners
4)The club will lose the connection with the city. Noone has a CCFC shirt and the legacy lives on through our kids.
5) if we keep winning fans who do not care about the politics of the club will start to attend and average attendances start to increase
Do you have any opinions on what im saying?
All very valid points, and my response would be as follows;
1) Im not sure away followings in Lg1 on a Sunday would make much of a dent to the bottom line, so not sure its much of an issue.
2) Agreed - I cannot see why, I dont know if they feel they would get more with a liquidation, or maybe a season with some good youngsters might attract income that way. Not a lot has made sense where SISU are concerned, but one thing is for sure, they cant continue forever. Maybe pride before a fall, who knows.
3) No doubt the club has already been harmed, but I also think this is doing massive harm to their business. Their reputation cant be blooming in this environment, their P&L isnt exactly thriving, if thats even a correct representation of their current position, and investments is their business. Theyre far from enjoying life at CCFC believe you me.
4) Its already happening mate - sisu has done this, not the fans through NOPM.
At the end of the day, via one means or another, supporters are fighting for the club. Nobody knows what the answer is, and the club has already been massively damaged. I really dont see SISU ever doing anything right by the fans which is why I support his course of action, because they have to go.
What do you think life holds if we return to Cov one way or another under SISU? Because ultimately the move to Northampton is training peoples minds on one aspect, the root cause is till there.
Some of you on here are criticising me given my previous stance on the NOPM campaign.
I know we are only 3 games into the new season and no consequence of the campaign will have developed by now however, Greg Clarke has said that his accountants have seen PROOF OF FUNDS to be able to put down an initial £10,000,000 to a new stadium AND funds to cover all losses while we ground share at Northampton. This stance has been echoed by TF and the F.A.
Now for the maths. If we sold out Sixfields every week, to make things easier, lets say 7000 every game for 23 games. Right, at £16 a ticket this would mean revenue of just £2,576,000 this season. Taking away now policing costs, stewarding costs and the rest that figure probably in the region of £750,000 to £1,000,000. That leaves a revenue of around £1,750,000. Compared to the around £50,000,000 they claim to have invested already, that number is pennies.
SISU have maintained that the club is not for sale. here is where my worry is. Without this revenue I think there is more chance of the club franchising and moving away rather than coming home. We all know that SISU have no intention of building a new stadium, they want the Ricoh. The council will not sell to "such an unethical company" and so they shouldnt. So what options does this leave? 1) Franchising the club and moving to a different location 2) Sell the club. Nothing over the past 6 years has suggested to me that SISU will sell the club. Somehow Joy and Tim have convinced their investors to keep investing. They would not suddenly pull the plug after investing so much capital, it just will not happen. If they did choose to sell the price would be astronomical considering their investments into the club, the price tag significantly higher than anyone will be willing to pay.
SISU have not even acknowledged the various protests and campaigns that have surfaced over the past few months. The fans have become divided and the gap between this division is only widening. The fans need some sort of leadership. This should have come from the trust, from the outset. I agree that the KCIC campaign was a good idea however I now see the trust withering away and not attempted to bridge the gap of disgruntled fans. This is why we need a change of direction.
I dont dislike the NOPM campaign by any stretch of the imagination however I feel it can be used as a scapegoat by lazy fans who just think that shouting NOPM will change everything.
We need a new direction, new leadership and begin to unite us fans again. We are much stronger together than we are apart. Arguing amongst ourselves shows us to be a mockery and actually shows SISU are winning. it is basically a carbon copy of Wimbledon/MK Dons.
While I agree we need SISU gone we also need transparency of our club at board level. This is why i suggested attempting to purchase Brody's 4% stake in the club and then to elect a fan rep to sit on the board. At least we have something which we can use as a catalyst to get things done. At least Fisher would have to listen to fans opinions and any wrong doings will be brought to light.
Other than that I suggested a mass pitch invasion Vs Sheffield UTD live on sky, just something to physically affect the runnings of the club in a way that cannot be ignored.
We need to constantly chnage our approach until we find the one that changes things. But firsts things first we need to be united, we need our trust to step up the mark.
I have given you all at least some evidence as why the NOPM campaign will not work, that is more than anything you can give me to suggest it will? other than "companies cannot operate without consumers" yes thats true, but i am 100% sure SISU would rather franchise the club than sell.
Dont mean to look smug or anything but I fought my corner back then and now, look who was rightstill love you all though
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