Simple yet unlikely solution (1 Viewer)

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

The Council helped finance the Building of the Ricoh. It brought jobs and downstream growth during the construction and now still provides jobs and (importantly) local tax revenue. The Wasps are now there, and like it or not they bring fans and revenue into the City. The whole Ricoh deal has been a success for the City of Coventry if not Coventry City.

The simple solution is for CCC to help finance a new stadium (perhaps then offer part ownership to ccfc at equal rates to the Wasps deal - may stave off any further court nonsense - don't know - just throwing ideas out).

This construction will bring jobs and tax revenue both now and in the future. A better suited stadium will potentially reinvigorate CCFC and going forward will be a benefit to the City as a whole. It will be an investment by the City, for the City.

It's not unusual for a City to have 2 football stadiums near to each other (Liverpool, Nottingham, Dundee etc). A football stadium near a Rugby Stadium is not such a lunatic plan.

LB87ccfc · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
The Council helped finance the Building of the Ricoh. It brought jobs and downstream growth during the construction and now still provides jobs and (importantly) local tax revenue. The Wasps are now there, and like it or not they bring fans and revenue into the City. The whole Ricoh deal has been a success for the City of Coventry if not Coventry City.

The simple solution is for CCC to help finance a new stadium (perhaps then offer part ownership to ccfc at equal rates to the Wasps deal - may stave off any further court nonsense - don't know - just throwing ideas out).

This construction will bring jobs and tax revenue both now and in the future. A better suited stadium will potentially reinvigorate CCFC and going forward will be a benefit to the City as a whole. It will be an investment by the City, for the City.

It's not unusual for a City to have 2 football stadiums near to each other (Liverpool, Nottingham, Dundee etc). A football stadium near a Rugby Stadium is not such a lunatic plan.

Never happen.

wafw1971 · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
The Council helped finance the Building of the Ricoh. It brought jobs and downstream growth during the construction and now still provides jobs and (importantly) local tax revenue. The Wasps are now there, and like it or not they bring fans and revenue into the City. The whole Ricoh deal has been a success for the City of Coventry if not Coventry City.

The simple solution is for CCC to help finance a new stadium (perhaps then offer part ownership to ccfc at equal rates to the Wasps deal - may stave off any further court nonsense - don't know - just throwing ideas out).

This construction will bring jobs and tax revenue both now and in the future. A better suited stadium will potentially reinvigorate CCFC and going forward will be a benefit to the City as a whole. It will be an investment by the City, for the City.

It's not unusual for a City to have 2 football stadiums near to each other (Liverpool, Nottingham, Dundee etc). A football stadium near a Rugby Stadium is not such a lunatic plan.

I wish something like this could happen but in the real world I don't think it would happen.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

LB87ccfc said:
Never happen.

Hence the title.

Half (or at least some of) the problem is the Labour Council. New Council, clean slate, fresh ideas - investment etc.

Labour Councils in Coventry have watched over:

Cathedral Lanes
The loss of the Car Industry
Stagnation of the canal basin development
No train station to Ricoh (when it was needed)
Now we have the sports centre debacles
So many other things

Personally I don't see why people on Coventry keep voting Labour, it's madness.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

wafw1971 said:
I wish something like this could happen but in the real world I don't think it would happen.

Oh but it could.

Stage 1, get rid of Labour Council and Geoffrey Robinson and all of those pretend working class champaign socialists. Conservatives won't get in, Libdems are finished but UKIP did well in last local elections so why not?

Stage 2, see if bridges can be built between new regime and SISU (they probably do have access to money, a bit of incentive and you never know)

Stage 3, get a business plan together, incorporate some rail access and a bit of a business park or leisure centre (dare I say swimming pool), get some government funding for regeneration, bit of a soft loan from new Council.

Do you know - it could work.

Think positive - New Year and all that.

Alan Dugdale · Dec 31, 2014

UKIP?? Really????

hill83 · Dec 31, 2014

Can I have a private jet while we are at it?

And Ukip can fuck off to be fair.

mrtrench · Dec 31, 2014

However the council could get all the benefits without building a new stadium if we had new owners who were sensible and negotiated a share deal for the Ricoh that worked for everyone.

mrtrench · Dec 31, 2014

hill83 said:
Can I have a private jet while we are at it?

And Ukip can fuck off to be fair.

UKIP can fuck right off. You have my vote.

skybluetony176 · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
The Council helped finance the Building of the Ricoh. It brought jobs and downstream growth during the construction and now still provides jobs and (importantly) local tax revenue. The Wasps are now there, and like it or not they bring fans and revenue into the City. The whole Ricoh deal has been a success for the City of Coventry if not Coventry City.

The simple solution is for CCC to help finance a new stadium (perhaps then offer part ownership to ccfc at equal rates to the Wasps deal - may stave off any further court nonsense - don't know - just throwing ideas out).

This construction will bring jobs and tax revenue both now and in the future. A better suited stadium will potentially reinvigorate CCFC and going forward will be a benefit to the City as a whole. It will be an investment by the City, for the City.

It's not unusual for a City to have 2 football stadiums near to each other (Liverpool, Nottingham, Dundee etc). A football stadium near a Rugby Stadium is not such a lunatic plan.

I think we've been there done that. We now all know SISU are asset strippers so who wouldn't put it past them to sell the clubs share to a third party putting us back to square one.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

True, I agree but the deal is done and the Wasps have got themselves a good deal and would be mad to give it up.

We can't turn the clock back.

New owners for CCFC or not - the Ricoh is now a done deal, best CCFC can do is use it's only assets (it's history and remaining fan base) to give reason and potential revenue streams to a new stadium project.

the rumpo kid · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
The Council helped finance the Building of the Ricoh. It brought jobs and downstream growth during the construction and now still provides jobs and (importantly) local tax revenue. The Wasps are now there, and like it or not they bring fans and revenue into the City. The whole Ricoh deal has been a success for the City of Coventry if not Coventry City.

The simple solution is for CCC to help finance a new stadium (perhaps then offer part ownership to ccfc at equal rates to the Wasps deal - may stave off any further court nonsense - don't know - just throwing ideas out).

This construction will bring jobs and tax revenue both now and in the future. A better suited stadium will potentially reinvigorate CCFC and going forward will be a benefit to the City as a whole. It will be an investment by the City, for the City.

It's not unusual for a City to have 2 football stadiums near to each other (Liverpool, Nottingham, Dundee etc). A football stadium near a Rugby Stadium is not such a lunatic plan.

I said this on a thread about a potential new stadium two days ago and the thread has gone missing somehow .......spooky

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

the rumpo kid said:
I said this on a thread about a potential new stadium two days ago and the thread has gone missing somehow .......spooky

Labour internet SS at it again

Nick · Dec 31, 2014

the rumpo kid said:
I said this on a thread about a potential new stadium two days ago and the thread has gone missing somehow .......spooky

Nothing has been deleted?

bigfatronssba · Dec 31, 2014

The council were wrong to get involved in the first place and would be wrong to get involved again.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

mrtrench said:
UKIP can fuck right off. You have my vote.

I just hate Labour with a passion. Up where I live now (near Rotherham), Labour politicians have turned a blind eye to all of the Child Grooming, done nothing positive for the area yet always get all high and opinionated whenever they like. People up here vote for them "because mi dad did" without any clue about anyone else's policy or ideas.

My local labour MP got done for forging an immigration visa for a Brazillian rent boy. Now I'm choosing my words carefully. Look up Clive Betts on Wikipedia.

Geoffrey Robinson, labour MP let SISU in thinking he could somehow get his money back (how he earned that money is worth research).

Coventry Council are another set of people.

Anybody but self-righteous fucking labour.

Within reason.

Rant over. Back to footy conversations. Sorry Nick

AndreasB · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
I just hate Labour with a passion. Up where I live now (near Rotherham), Labour politicians have turned a blind eye to all of the Child Grooming, done nothing positive for the area yet always get all high and opinionated whenever they like. People up here vote for them "because mi dad did" without any clue about anyone else's policy or ideas.

My local labour MP got done for forging an immigration visa for a Brazillian rent boy. Now I'm choosing my words carefully. Look up Clive Betts on Wikipedia.

Geoffrey Robinson, labour MP let SISU in thinking he could somehow get his money back (how he earned that money is worth research).

Coventry Council are another set of people.

Anybody but self-righteous fucking labour.

Within reason.

Rant over. Back to footy conversations. Sorry Nick

fuck off with your dog whistle /UKIP bullshit - Philosopher my arse.

Jack Griffin · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
The Council helped finance the Building of the Ricoh. It brought jobs and downstream growth during the construction and now still provides jobs and (importantly) local tax revenue. The Wasps are now there, and like it or not they bring fans and revenue into the City. The whole Ricoh deal has been a success for the City of Coventry if not Coventry City.

The simple solution is for CCC to help finance a new stadium (perhaps then offer part ownership to ccfc at equal rates to the Wasps deal - may stave off any further court nonsense - don't know - just throwing ideas out).

This construction will bring jobs and tax revenue both now and in the future. A better suited stadium will potentially reinvigorate CCFC and going forward will be a benefit to the City as a whole. It will be an investment by the City, for the City.

It's not unusual for a City to have 2 football stadiums near to each other (Liverpool, Nottingham, Dundee etc). A football stadium near a Rugby Stadium is not such a lunatic plan.

Once bitten twice shy.

albatross · Dec 31, 2014

why would they get involved again?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/coventry-city-sisu-ricoh-arena

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
Once bitten twice shy.

. True. SISU have been a nightmare to deal with. No doubt at times some of the key people involved (PWKH, Council Senior Officers, etc.) would wished things different and regretted ever being involved.

From a business point of view though now, the Ricoh (we are led to believe) makes profit in the City and has paid back it's debts, mainly via the Wasps, to the Council. The original Retail Park / Supermarket deal made money (arguably money that should have gone to ccfc) early on.

So - not bitten long term - quite the opposite in fact.

The City now hosts a Top Rugby club.

If the Council (whoever they be in future - good and bad players in most parties) recognise that they took a risk and got a result (ie got bitten but came off much better); they may recognise the opportunity to redevelop an area and benefit both CCFC and the City in general.

Personally, I think it an opportunity to develop something better. The Ricoh looks nice but has no atmosphere, it was designed with one eye on ccfc and one eye on concerts and such. A new stadium could be pure ccfc with maybe a boxing arena (or even speedway next door if Brandon goes) or an Olympic pool with whatever - lots of possibilities.

Maybe the council have woken up to the fact (hence the recent mutterings about planning) or maybe they know that it is an opportunity to be popular (political parties like to be popular every 4-5 years).

SISU just want to make some money back - there is an opportunity there for them with a bit of bridge building.

Stranger things have happened.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

AndreasB said:
fuck off with your dog whistle /UKIP bullshit - Philosopher my arse.

There you go. Have a nice day.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

albatross said:
why would they get involved again?

Good point - it would be a massive leap of faith for them.

The only card SISU really hold now is the "brand" CCFC and the league status. SISU believed it was pivotal to the Ricoh's future - clearly not the case now.

It is pivotal to the City though, a stadium with CCFC is worth a lot more than one without.

A stadium for Ccfc outside of the City doesn't work - even in Bedworth or Brandon - it just won't work

Cannot see any other exit plan for SISU. Holbrooks would probably work. (Any old railway infrastructure around there to redevelop does anyone know?). Council talking about the idea.

Hedge fund needs to do something - cannot write of £40m or whatever - needs to own something that it can overvalue on the books / get an exit plan.

May happen you know.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/coventry-city-sisu-ricoh-arena

Samo · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
There you go. Have a nice day.

Its hardly surprising that people are having a pop is it? You mentioned UKIP without a hint of irony, as if they are a serious option and you have no problem with their 'politics' and thus destroy any credibility your OP had. And on top of this you call yourself The Philosopher! Oh dear.

covcity4life · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
There you go. Have a nice day.

rotheram chav

italiahorse · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
The Council helped finance the Building of the Ricoh. It brought jobs and downstream growth during the construction and now still provides jobs and (importantly) local tax revenue. The Wasps are now there, and like it or not they bring fans and revenue into the City. The whole Ricoh deal has been a success for the City of Coventry if not Coventry City.

The simple solution is for CCC to help finance a new stadium (perhaps then offer part ownership to ccfc at equal rates to the Wasps deal - may stave off any further court nonsense - don't know - just throwing ideas out).

This construction will bring jobs and tax revenue both now and in the future. A better suited stadium will potentially reinvigorate CCFC and going forward will be a benefit to the City as a whole. It will be an investment by the City, for the City.

It's not unusual for a City to have 2 football stadiums near to each other (Liverpool, Nottingham, Dundee etc). A football stadium near a Rugby Stadium is not such a lunatic plan.

Once bitten twice shy ?

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

I'm from Coundon, went to school there and hence a SkyBlues fan.

It's Rotherham btw.

bigfatronssba · Dec 31, 2014

Samo said:
Its hardly surprising that people are having a pop is it? You mentioned UKIP without a hint of irony, as if they are a serious option and you have no problem with their 'politics' and thus destroy any credibility your OP had. And on top of this you call yourself The Philosopher! Oh dear.

What a shame you don't believe in Democracy.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

Samo said:
Its hardly surprising that people are having a pop is it? You mentioned UKIP without a hint of irony, as if they are a serious option and you have no problem with their 'politics' and thus destroy any credibility your OP had. And on top of this you call yourself The Philosopher! Oh dear.

For whatever reason, UKIP in Coventry are second favourites at the bookies (ODDSCHECKER) (ahead of Libdems, ahead of Conservatives, ahead of Greens) for the next General Election - hence the comment only alternative to Labour.

I personally dislike Labour - you personally dislike UKIP.

I dislike racism, my Dad from India and all that.

I used to agree about UKIP - I had heard that UKIP are racist - somebody told me so I believed them. But then I thought I would look, because being prejudiced means "pre-judging" without finding out.

From the BBC today. Fairly left-wing biased but nonetheless:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29642613

At the moment, Labour supports a policy of European Immigration over anyone else. Doctors from India must apply to get in, anyone from Europe is free to do so no matter their background or criminal record. UKIP want an Aussie/US/Canadian style system. Is that racist?

Immigrants are VITAL, but we need to be fair to everyone no matter their colour or background. At the moment, the system is - factually - EU open, rest of the world closed / screened.

Racist?

Carry on with having a pop chaps - don't care, really don't.

covcity4life · Dec 31, 2014

lol what a troll. gets paid to push ukip on british football forums.

bigfatronssba · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
For whatever reason, UKIP in Coventry are second favourites at the bookies (ODDSCHECKER) (ahead of Libdems, ahead of Conservatives, ahead of Greens) for the next General Election - hence the comment only alternative to Labour.

I personally dislike Labour - you personally dislike UKIP.

I dislike racism, my Dad from India and all that.

I used to agree about UKIP - I had heard that UKIP are racist - somebody told me so I believed them. But then I thought I would look, because being prejudiced means "pre-judging" without finding out.

From the BBC today. Fairly left-wing biased but nonetheless:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29642613

At the moment, Labour supports a policy of European Immigration over anyone else. Doctors from India must apply to get in, anyone from Europe is free to do so no matter their background or criminal record. UKIP want an Aussie/US/Canadian style system. Is that racist?

Immigrants are VITAL, but we need to be fair to everyone no matter their colour or background. At the moment, the system is - factually - EU open, rest of the world closed / screened.

Racist?

Carry on with having a pop chaps - don't care, really don't.

I am not a UKIP supporter, but I get so angry when the "racist" card gets thrown at them just to try and stifle debate.

Normally if you ask one of these hysterical lefties what policies of UKIP's are racist they cant answer you and it takes the wind out of their sails.

Norman Binns · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
For whatever reason, UKIP in Coventry are second favourites at the bookies (ODDSCHECKER) (ahead of Libdems, ahead of Conservatives, ahead of Greens) for the next General Election - hence the comment only alternative to Labour.

I personally dislike Labour - you personally dislike UKIP.

I dislike racism, my Dad from India and all that.

I used to agree about UKIP - I had heard that UKIP are racist - somebody told me so I believed them. But then I thought I would look, because being prejudiced means "pre-judging" without finding out.

From the BBC today. Fairly left-wing biased but nonetheless:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29642613

At the moment, Labour supports a policy of European Immigration over anyone else. Doctors from India must apply to get in, anyone from Europe is free to do so no matter their background or criminal record. UKIP want an Aussie/US/Canadian style system. Is that racist?

Immigrants are VITAL, but we need to be fair to everyone no matter their colour or background. At the moment, the system is - factually - EU open, rest of the world closed / screened.

Racist?

Carry on with having a pop chaps - don't care, really don't.

You're wasting your time explaining that. Most people lost the ability to think for themselves a long time ago. It's all done for them now.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 31, 2014

The Philosopher said:
Hence the title.

Half (or at least some of) the problem is the Labour Council. New Council, clean slate, fresh ideas - investment etc.

Labour Councils in Coventry have watched over:

Cathedral Lanes
The loss of the Car Industry
Stagnation of the canal basin development
No train station to Ricoh (when it was needed)
Now we have the sports centre debacles
So many other things

Personally I don't see why people on Coventry keep voting Labour, it's madness.

If these people were proper Labour politicians they wouldn't have overseen any of these things and they wouldn't have helped to take a rugby club from its core fanbase for commercial benefits. They are all champagne socialists and the city's MPs are little better.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 31, 2014

Norman Binns said:
You're wasting your time explaining that. Most people lost the ability to think for themselves a long time ago. It's all done for them now.

Maybe Philosorapter could explain how fox hunting Farage is any more a man of the people than Cameron or Miliband? Pointing to Brussels and shouting 'boo' at Johnny Foreigner will not do people in Coventry any good.

The Philosopher · Dec 31, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
I am not a UKIP supporter, but I get so angry when the "racist" card gets thrown at them just to try and stifle debate.

Normally if you ask one of these hysterical lefties what policies of UKIP's are racist they cant answer you and it takes the wind out of their sails.

I 100% agree.

The personal attacks for posting about how badly the Labour Council have let the City down are a bit off. I love Coventry, hate what's happened to the City and the Club.

Como · Dec 31, 2014

He just pointed out who is the opposition. My assumption is that Labour will get in simply due to the demographics no matter who stands.

Anyway, simple solution, new owner buys club, invests £50m, builds new ground and new squad.

Simple really.

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