Maybe there are Cov fans who are also Cov taxpayers, and don't expect or want the club to be subsidised by the council when there are other more pressing needs on local finances.
And maybe there are some others who think that SISU are such terrible owners that the best thing for the club would be to get shot of them. File this latter point under 'prioritising the club above the (current) owners'.
Sisu are not vultures. Vultures feed off carrion that is already dead - they do not proactively cause the death.
Are SISU not also trying to protect their asset? The football club?
why are you talking to me as if i am a sisu fan? i need problems resolved, not blame being shifted to sisu
i am well aware sisu have made numerous mistakes and still are to this day. thus you dont see fans praising sisu for most part. but you do see fans kissing councils arse which is plain weird.
they charged a silly rental rate, refused to negotiate it till sisu played hardball, this completely fucked up the working relationship from get go. they have flat out said they will never sell ricoh in past,then pretended they might and when it comes down to it rejected any plans again. they are messing about with the club and fans just like sisu
as far as i am concerned any real ccfc fan HATES both sides.
They don't. Quite simply.
In order to be an effective business going forward they need to be in a position to have income streams on par with the rest of the football league. Organically speaking as a club we are a bit of a sleeping giant (I use that term very loosely) in respect to our potential fan base and our one team one city status. To ever fulfil our potential we need to be maximising all revenue streams, this cannot be argued against. So how do we do it?
Firstly and ideally the Ricoh would be 100% club owner - the problems I see here are the council/ACL do not with to sell (as is there right, I cannot force you to sell me your house for 10% of its market value just because I would be homeless otherwise)
Secondly, if option 1 is not going to happen, a sensible rent agreement needs to be in place to benefit both parties - The problem with this is that SISU are so hell bent on option 1 that as we have now found out are willing to continue holding the club hostage even when there is a seemingly good rental offer on the table.
Ring-fencing all of these variables and what ifs is the true nature of ownership SISU would have. As I understand it they have said that it would be SISU and not CCFC who own the ground and surrounding areas, something most have known to be the game plan some time ago. Meaning they could sell the club and charge rent to the club for use of the Ricoh, and if you thought ccc were unreasonable, I would dread to think what prices SISU would charge.
So for me the only option they have is to renegotiate rent (building a new ground on the outskirts of cov and spending millions with predicted gates of 3000 or so is not a viable option, even in the world of Joy and Tim) which is not ideal but its all we've got. You cant then start throwing law suits around the place because you didn't do your due diligence properly before you bought the club.
good post, works same if you replace sisu with council
i like how you have done that to show both sides are to blame.
What gets me about your anti-council rhetoric; is that you are so intent on following this route, you never bother to truly think through SISU's actions.
Even someone with the most pro-SISU of leanings must acknowledge that their end-game is ownership of the Arena.
But to achieve that, can't you see that they are imperilling the very existence of our football club? That's the football club you purport to support being used as a bargaining chip. Not by the council, but by SISU.
As such - and I'm sorry to say this - I can't see how you can support anyone using our football club as collateral in a wager in a business acquisition. And I can't see how any fan would think so is fit.
So, it may be rude; but I don't support your stance. It's perverse and I don't for one resect it one iota
i dont support sisu,in fact i think they are dumb shits
so your post is irrelevant.
Tell your mummy,cant you think for yourself.good post, works same if you replace sisu with council
i like how you have done that to show both sides are to blame.
Tell your mummy,cant you think for yourself.
Why the insult? What good is that going to do??
Bezzer, on another thread you stated, and I quote "you sir, are a mug"
Mmmm....
SISU don't want to rent. The council don't want to sell.
Returning to a rental agreement would get us right back where we started. A football club with no assets other than the players, that no future buyer would want to touch. It would suit us fans because we'd be back playing at the Ricoh, but SISU would still be no closer to realising the full potential of owning a football club and the stadium. The potential that a future buyer would jump at the chance of owning if everything was in place.
BECAUSE THAT GUY SAID HE DIDNT MIND THE CLUB GETTING HURT AS LONG AS SISU DID TOO!
wtf is wrong with you people
MMM-if i see people kissing sisus ass i will have a go at them too, but i only see council lovers so far
p.s what sort insult was that? ha
BECAUSE THAT GUY SAID HE DIDNT MIND THE CLUB GETTING HURT AS LONG AS SISU DID TOO!
wtf is wrong with you people
MMM-if i see people kissing sisus ass i will have a go at them too, but i only see council lovers so far
p.s what sort insult was that? ha
nick cant you do anything about blatant wumming?
no rent free offer has been made officially by all accounts so how can sisu reject it?
and before you ask, YES they should accept it,of course they should.
Come on Nick, that's an easy one:
This all comes down to SISU's inability to negotiate a better rent deal when they took over. If they knew the rent to be excessive, either renegotiate or don't sign on the line to buy the club that was hamstrung into a unrealistic business model.
This also further emphasises the councils position of trying to achieve what's best for the tax payer, which as we have already established is their priority, not CCFC.
You ought to make your mind up, 1 day you blame the council but 3 days ago you were hammering away at the hedge fund saying it was all their fault, is there a bit of schizophrenia going on ??
I am talking before SISU.....
People go on about morals and principles but is hammering the club for rent at the start ok?
wow,is it really that hard to believe that some cov fans love ccfc and hate sisu/council?
you pick a side all you like,i already have one and its the sky blues.
wow,is it really that hard to believe that some cov fans love ccfc and hate sisu/council?
you pick a side all you like,i already have one and its the sky blues.
wow,is it really that hard to believe that some cov fans love ccfc and hate sisu/council?
you pick a side all you like,i already have one and its the sky blues.
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