I think Sisu will have to break the deadlock. They have an easy get out by saying we have listened to the fans and this is what they want !!!!
But we all know that sisu doesn't care about the club or the fans, while on the other hand ACL have repeatedly said their actions is all about 'what is best for the fans and the club'. So by your argument it should be ACL coming forward with a 'we have listened to the fans and think a short term deal is the best for the club' offer.
Let's be realistic - both ACL and SISU are balls deep in bullshit.
This should just be posted on the multitude of the ACLv SISU threads.....
as soon as a new thread decends into the borefest of ACL v SISU.... lets just post this and have done with it.
Think of all the time some of you will save yourselves....you'll no longer have to type out the same dull as fuck arguments 10 times per day!
Result.
I will try my best to be of service whenever the situation arises!
In the longer term if they really do intend to build a new stadium, then returning to the Ricoh would minimise the risk of (potentially) a large proportion of the fan base "losing the habit". If we really stay away for 5 years (how long before that increases?), I have serious worries about what support would be left - and one has to presume that investors in a new stadium would have the same worry.
Ok, let's just leave it there.
My basic POV is the club must own its stadium. I can see why it will never be the Ricoh - both sides have dug too deep trenches and that is even reflected in the fan base.
So a new stadium is more likely and I support that.
I'll grant you Man City, but not convinced West Ham is a great example to counter with. Give it a decade and they'll be in a total mess!
Of course by that time their current owners will have long scarpered, leaving some other fools to deal with it...
I'll grant you Man City, but not convinced West Ham is a great example to counter with. Give it a decade and they'll be in a total mess!
Of course by that time their current owners will have long scarpered, leaving some other fools to deal with it...
Putting one hat on...
It may not be good for youor others, but strange though it is, staying away for five years could well be better now than returning next week.
Do that, and managing a return to the city well could see a massive upsurge in interest, goodwill, attendances, gain new fans who wouldn't otherwise have been fans.
As I said, not good for the likes of yourself, where your statement is indeed perfectly true.
The worst of all worlds could well be them coming back next week however. The bad feeling is still there, some will have already lost the habit, and there's no opportunity to pick up new fans or have some appreciate what isn't there.
So the uncomfortable truth could be that having made the leap away, it might be better to stay away for a bit!
The JR have nothing to do with ACL, so that shouldn't stop anything.
I think if ACL haven't yet offered anything to Otium or even invited them to a meeting, then they must be happy with the current situation.
JS and TF says they are angry ACL cost the team a 10 point meaningless penalty. So I don't think they will try to break the deadlock.
That's not true--Fisher & Sisu put the Club into administration not ACL.It was always Sisu's intention to get out of the lease agreement without paying any money to do so, and that's why sisu went into admin.
That seems a pretty optimistic view of the world to me.
Our core support is probably much like us, people who've grown up with the club - who booked holidays around the fixture list, made excuses to miss family events if there was a home game etc etc. If that habit is broken over 5 years, will it come back? I really don't know.
As for the new fans - I guess you're looking at a younger generation. Shall we call them the Sky Sports watching, Man U/Chelsea/Man City supporting generation? Just how excited will they be to watch League 1 or 2 football (maybe even Conference, given small attendances and FFP) in a 12,000 seater stadium (even if capacity can be increased.....)?
We're all guessing, but I'm increasingly worried about the future.
Don't be fooled - ACL effectively put us in administration. Sisu simply used the possibility to do it themself to influence the selection of administrator. And they did pay money to get out, to lawyers and even settled some - if not all - of the debt owed to ACL.
But it was money well spent in terms of it being peanuts compared to the overall burden of staying as tenant without access to all income streams and no possibility of building assets to secure their investment.
"Don't be fooled"
Are you saying that in your view, if ACL hadn't initiated administration proceedings, SISU would have allowed CCFC Ltd to continue as was, with the lease still in existence?
I meant 'by semantics'. ACL did exactly what they should do and what any other business would. I even believe sisu have calculated with it as an outcome.
Sounds like we're in broad agreement.
I was implying that irrespective of ACL's actions, CCFC Ltd would have ended up in administration - how else to get out of the lease?
I agree - the outcome was what sisu wanted. Maybe we should give them some credit and think they planned for it?
I guess that's true to a degree.
However, I think there's a large element of "be careful what you wish for".
I think that if they'd behaved and negotiated sensibly, they (and by extension "we") could be in a much better position than they currently find themselves.
how else to get out of the lease?
Maybe, but when it comes to what exactly happened during the negotiations we are completely in the dark. We know bit and pieces but not the whole story and certainly nobody has yet told the true story.
There have been negotiations with ACL - with CCC - with ACL and CCC. In what order, what agenda and how the discussions went ... we don't know half of it.
We only know that they each have presented their own spinned versions of half truth.
I - maybe as the only one - believe Hoffmans appearance (that is re-re-reappearance) changed something or somebody's mind. To me it's like every time Hoffman goes public everything turns from bad to worse.
I also believe ACL chairman stepping down to become director at Yorkshire Bank influenced the whole game, but we'll probably never know.
Maybe, but when it comes to what exactly happened during the negotiations we are completely in the dark. We know bit and pieces but not the whole story and certainly nobody has yet told the true story.
But didn't Joy admit that she had given a price for the Ricoh and it was a take it or leave it offer? Not interested in renting and only wants to own it.
Yes to the latter, no to the former.
They didn't get as far as discussing the former, and she's open to negotiation on the former.
In her interview with Les Reid.
"“Realistically, this council don’t think they can work with me. I know I cannot work with them. It doesn’t mean I can’t negotiate a deal."
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-fc-owner-joy-6096912Les Reid interview said:Asked if it was an extreme bargaining position in public from which there may be room for private negotiation, she said: “I don’t posture. I always tell people what it is I need. I don’t go for wasting time in negotiations.
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