Sky Blues Trust Response To Lucas Revelations (9 Viewers)

The Lurker · Jan 16, 2015

torchomatic said:
Ha! Where have I slagged off the fans? I agree they have more passion and pride, but they need money too. That's the most important ingredient in modern football. And obviously, I'm not happy, but it seems you throw that accusation at everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Really? You slag the trust off at any opportunity. You slag the protesters off from Monday night. That's just for starters

The Lurker · Jan 16, 2015

stupot07 said:
Swansea fans only own 21%(?) and high net individuals own the rest. Not massively different to us fans owning shares and robinson, etc putting money in.

I believe that any club with fan ownership of 50%+ are no higher than league two.

How will fan ownership work in the championship, where FFP is different and clubs can lose £13m per annum?

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So your telling me the Swansea model hasn't worked? Do they own their own ground?

I haven't got the answers if I did I wouldn't be on here, I would be chairman but as we all know. The current regime is not working on and off the pitch and something needs to change. Otherwise league 2 football in front of 5,000 fans will be a reality

torchomatic · Jan 16, 2015

So you don't mean fan ownership, you mean fan representation?

The Lurker said:
I'm meaning fans on the board to work alongside investors. It's not hard to imagine especially with the club falling. Nuneaton were owned by a plumber in the conference. That could soon be us.

letsallsingtogether · Jan 16, 2015

torchomatic said:
Ha! Where have I slagged off the fans? I agree they have more passion and pride, but they need money too. That's the most important ingredient in modern football. And obviously, I'm not happy, but it seems you throw that accusation at everyone who doesn't agree with you.

You slag of the trust which has over 2000 fans as members.
You slagged off the hillers.
You slagged off the protesters.

Oh yes forgot you don't slag off City fans good job none of above actually care about the City then?

The Lurker · Jan 16, 2015

torchomatic said:
So you don't mean fan ownership, you mean fan representation?

Either. Anything has to be better then the current regime. Are you happy with how ccfc is ran at the minute?

torchomatic · Jan 16, 2015

Absolutely not.

The Lurker said:
Either. Anything has to be better then the current regime. Are you happy with how ccfc is ran at the minute?

stupot07 · Jan 16, 2015

The Lurker said:
So your telling me the Swansea model hasn't worked? Do they own their own ground?

I haven't got the answers if I did I wouldn't be on here, I would be chairman but as we all know. The current regime is not working on and off the pitch and something needs to change. Otherwise league 2 football in front of 5,000 fans will be a reality

They own 33% of the management company and benefit from the stadium. Even in a short space of time finances in football have changed, 4 years of parachute payments for a start, the amendment of the FFP rules for the championship (originally only allowing £5m losses, changed last year to £13m). Yes they weren't in force before swansea rose through the league's , but then again neither were 4 years PL payments.

We know on a rent only limited/no access to revenues we have one of the lowest 3-4 turnovers in the league, where's the fan owners going to get the money from to fund losses to tread water in the championship let alone push on? Our relegation season the wage bill of the 3 promoted clubs was circa x3 our entire turnover.

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skybluetony176 · Jan 16, 2015

Have the FL said anything about the Trusts FOI's calling SISU's claims of progress on the new stadium into question?

Ooops my mistake. That's a question about the club, its future and something that's relevant to the club moving forward (or to a different town). I apologise for trying to talk about the club, I'll start a thread in the off topic section.

The Lurker · Jan 16, 2015

torchomatic said:
Absolutely not.

So what do you intend to do or even suggest? Because you constantly seem to knock ANYONE who suggests change or wants to see change

AndreasB · Jan 16, 2015

letsallsingtogether said:
You slag of the trust which has over 2000 fans as members.
You slagged off the hillers.
You slagged off the protesters.

Oh yes forgot you don't slag off City fans good job none of above actually care about the City then?

Yep - 2000 fans as members and not a fucking clue. Its a disgrace actually.

The Lurker · Jan 16, 2015

AndreasB said:
Yep - 2000 fans as members and not a fucking clue. Its a disgrace actually.

I'll tell you what is a disgrace. The way our owners have treated our club since 2007 and us playing at Northampton. Now that's a disgrace

AndreasB · Jan 16, 2015

The Lurker said:
I'll tell you what is a disgrace. The way our owners have treated our club since 2007 and us playing at Northampton. Now that's a disgrace

Yeah, Yeah we know all that, what is our trust doing about it?

chiefdave · Jan 16, 2015

The Lurker said:
Correct circumstances? What's that mean?
So you would rather a Arab prince with no affiliation to Cov (like sisu) over fans owning the club?

I can't imagine if someone wanted to come in and do to us what has happened at Chelsea, Man City or even Southampton anyone would be complaining we weren't fan owned.

chiefdave · Jan 16, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Have the FL said anything about the Trusts FOI's calling SISU's claims of progress on the new stadium into question?

Why would the FL get involved? We are currently playing in Coventry so they aren't going to get involved in anything.

skybluetony176 · Jan 16, 2015

chiefdave said:
Why would the FL get involved? We are currently playing in Coventry so they aren't going to get involved in anything.

IIRC they had to approve the 2 + 2 year deal as exceptional circumstances as the league rules state that members must have a minimum 10 year arrangement at there current ground. So if my memory is correct it has everything to do with them.

Ian1779 · Jan 16, 2015

Swansea benefitted from a supportive and forward thinking council. Swansea benefit from an agreement that allows them to have to lots of revenue stream.

This week we found out that the leader of our council bullshitted about the financial performance of the company that owned the stadium that was originally built for us.

Lets cut to the chase... the only reason the people that are leading the push for fan ownership is because some of them were promised that they could have their little bit of the club.. and they like the idea of the power/control/prestige it would bring.

Ian1779 · Jan 16, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
IIRC they had to approve the 2 + 2 year deal as exceptional circumstances as the league rules state that members must have a minimum 10 year arrangement at there current ground. So if my memory is correct it has everything to do with them.

Given we are only 4 months into said arrangement.. it's probably not on their radar currently.

skybluetony176 · Jan 16, 2015

Ian1779 said:
Given we are only 4 months into said arrangement.. it's probably not on their radar currently.

You're probably right. But the reality is they're burying their heads in the sand. Even with proof of progress there is little chance of the apparent new stadium being completed by the time the 4years are up and zero chance of it happening in 2 years. Given that supporter groups, local newspapers and a football blogger can't find even a hint of evidence that anything that we've been told is happening has actually happened and every self proposed deadline for announcements have passed don't you think it should be on the FL's radar. It's not like no ones giving them the heads up is it?

chiefdave · Jan 16, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
IIRC they had to approve the 2 + 2 year deal as exceptional circumstances as the league rules state that members must have a minimum 10 year arrangement at there current ground. So if my memory is correct it has everything to do with them.

But they must have already approved that so they aren't going to take any further interest until we reach the end of it.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 16, 2015

chiefdave said:
But they must have already approved that so they aren't going to take any further interest until we reach the end of it.

You could in fact make a case that the only change is the fanfare of rebuilding trust has not been followed through.

Thus giving the football club a ready made excuse to franchise itself off anywhere.

Nick · Jan 16, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
You could in fact make a case that the only change is the fanfare of rebuilding trust has not been followed through.

Thus giving the football club a ready made excuse to franchise itself off anywhere.

With some ready made quotes to justify moving a team.

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