So not a terrorist then (2 Viewers)

Anyone remember Jimmy Young's interview on Radio 2 with that "Hook Handed Bastard Abu Hamser" some 8-10 years before the Iraq war in 2003?
Hamser said "He will not rest till Sharia Law is recognized in the UK and the "Flag of Islam" is flying over the "Houses of Parliament" yet PC arseholes "ConvenientlyOverlook" him and that other "Hate Preacher Choudary" who openly declare "Holy War Jihad" while happily take benefits that we all have contributed towards.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QShdd0BDEZc

Sky Blue Kid said:

Anyone remember Jimmy Young's interview on Radio 2 with that "Hook Handed Bastard Abu Hamser" some 8-10 years before the Iraq war in 2003?
Hamser said "He will not rest till Sharia Law is recognized in the UK and the "Flag of Islam" is flying over the "Houses of Parliament" yet PC arseholes "ConvenientlyOverlook" him and that other "Hate Preacher Choudary" who openly declare "Holy War Jihad" while happily take benefits that we all have contributed towards.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QShdd0BDEZc

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I'm not really sure what relevance that has to this argument.
He's a horrible fucker and definitely someone who doesn't empathise with the suffering of others. I'm sure he was delighted with the events of last week in London and what is going on in Mosul.

clint van damme said:

I'm not really sure what relevance that has to this argument.
He's a horrible fucker and definitely someone who doesn't empathise with the suffering of others. I'm sure he was delighted with the events of last week in London and what is going on in Mosul.

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To me the relevance is the difference of cold blooded murder and accidental death in the confines of a war situation.

I'll just leave this here...

Sky Blue Kid said:

To me the relevance is the difference of cold blooded murder and accidental death in the confines of a war situation.

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That's your opinion. I find it a very flippant attitude towards the loss of innocent human life, maybe I'm just naïve.

Sky Blue Kid, what do you think about the marine that was jailed for breaking the Geneva convention by murdering an unarmed man. Surely he's a terrorist?

Sky Blue Pete said:

No genuinely. What is a terrorist? I suppose someone who wants to cause terror. But that's not the reason the media use the term is it? Or is it?

The media coverage seems to have encouraged Isis to claim the attack. Seems strange

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It helps BBC in particular to justify spending a disproportionate amount of time on one story.
On the radio, while in the car, I heard a reporter talking with an MP who was apparently just on his way out of Parliament, but sent back...the reporter excitedly asked him "So you were among the first in the building to hear about the attack?"
"errrrm...I guess so yes"
"How did that feel knowing that?"
I don't know what the answer was as I was too busy ranting at the fckwit of a question.
BBC breakfast was the presented from the actual scene (or as near as possible) the next morning.

How to desensitise the nation.

...onwards & upwards PUSB

Liquid Gold said:

Sky Blue Kid, what do you think about the marine that was jailed for breaking the Geneva convention by murdering an unarmed man. Surely he's a terrorist?

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You haven't got a clue mate.....That's all I'll say on this.

Sky Blue Kid said:

You haven't got a clue mate.....That's all I'll say on this.

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no say some more please. im curious what you think of this murder

covcity4life said:

no say some more please. im curious what you think of this murder

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How about you tell me exactly what happened?.... Were you there being shot at? Were you there seeing your friends being shot and killed.....Were you there?

covcity4life said:

no say some more please. im curious what you think of this murder

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I'm still waiting!

Liquid Gold said:

Sky Blue Kid, what do you think about the marine that was jailed for breaking the Geneva convention by murdering an unarmed man. Surely he's a terrorist?

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Taliban and Al Qaeda have never broken the Geneva convention then? Have you ever been shot at then in the split second of taking aim to retaliate see the the opposition throw down his gun and turn his back on you(Geneva Convention states no shooting opposition in the back) Yes! those bastards know how to "Play the terms of engagement card" but don't give a fuck if you are asleep if they kill you!!!.... You are allowed to fire a warning shot at "Dickers" that are setting you and your "Brothers" up for a "MASS MURDER" but not hit them!.... Just for youLG. Sergeant Alex Blackman is being set free for the Manslaughter of the Taliban insurgent.

i have not commented on it 1 way or the other, you said the poster didnt have a clue. so its on you to tell it how it is

ahh so what your saying is if terrorists do it so can our soldiers..........but if they do they are not terrorists.

alrighty then

covcity4life said:

i have not commented on it 1 way or the other, you said the poster didnt have a clue. so its on you to tell it how it is

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"Im curious what you think of this murder"


You've not passed a comment 'eh?

covcity4life said:

ahh so what your saying is if terrorists do it so can our soldiers..........but if they do they are not terrorists.

alrighty then

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Where have I said that?

covcity4life said:

ahh so what your saying is if terrorists do it so can our soldiers..........but if they do they are not terrorists.

alrighty then

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Ahh so you're saying you don't give a fuck if one of our soldiers are killed as long as those poor little defenseless Taliban are ok?
Alfuckingrighty then.

Blackman shot the Afghan, who had been seriously injured in an attack by an Apache helicopter, in the chest at close range with a 9mm pistol before quoting a phrase from Shakespeare as the man convulsed and died in front of him.

"There you are. Shuffle off this mortal coil, you c***. It's nothing you wouldn't do to us," Blackman told him.

Blackman then turned to comrades and said: "Obviously this doesn't go anywhere, fellas. I just broke the Geneva Convention."

The execution was filmed by a camera mounted on the helmet of Marine B.

Marines B and C were alleged to have been "party to the killing" and "encouraged and assisted" Marine A in committing the murder but they were cleared.

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I'm not offering my opinion on this in any way. But the above quote is what happened.

Sky Blue Kid said:

Ahh so you're saying you don't give a fuck if one of our soldiers are killed as long as those poor little defenseless Taliban are ok?
Alfuckingrighty then.

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lol you are terrible at this.

hill83 said:

I'm not offering my opinion on this in any way. But the above quote is what happened.

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All respect to you hill83.


Perhaps this might show the other side of the coin.........
They agreed that Sgt Blackman was suffering from an 'abnormality of mental functioning' at the time of the killing

The 'key issue' was whether it was a 'cold-blooded execution' as the court martial board concluded on the evidence before them, or whether it was the result of 'a substantial impairment of his ability to form a rational judgement or exercise self-control arising from his adjustment disorder'.

Finding that the latter was the case, the court said that 'a person with such a disorder can appear to act rationally'.

They said: 'In this case, examples include moving the body out of the sight of the camera, waiting for the helicopter to move away, stating that he was not be shot in the head and other similar comments ...'

The panel of five judges, headed by Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, said: 'However, that type of planning is quite distinct from the effect of an adjustment disorder which can affect the ability to form a rational judgement about the need to adhere to standards and the moral compass set by HM Armed Forces and putting together the consequences to himself and others of the individual actions he is about to take.

'In our view, the adjustment disorder had put the appellant in the state of mind to kill, but the fact that he acted with apparent careful thought as to how to set about the killing had to be seen within the overarching framework of the disorder which had substantially impaired his ability to form a rational judgement.

'There can be little doubt that on 15 September 2011, the appellant was angry and vengeful and had a considerable degree of hatred for the wounded insurgent.

'On prior deployments, similar emotions had been controlled by him. The appellant's decision to kill was probably impulsive and the adjustment disorder had led to an abnormality of mental functioning that substantially impaired his ability to exercise self-control.

'In our judgement the adjustment disorder from which he was suffering at the time also impaired his ability to exercise self-control.'

covcity4life said:

lol you are terrible at this.

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Lmfao.. You say something almost word for word and it's ok! but when I say it it's not? hahaha

Sky Blue Kid said:

Lmfao.. You say something almost word for word and it's ok! but when I say it it's not? hahaha

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where have i said word for word i dont care about soldiors being killed by taliban and i hope that taliban are ok?

covcity4life said:

lol you are terrible at this.

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Trust me, I know a lot more than you do when it comes to the armed forces. When in situations that compromise troops under your command, decisions have to be made to protect yourself and your troop. Let's leave it there ok!

still waiting

covcity4life said:

where have i said word for word i dont care about soldiors being killed by taliban and i hope that taliban are ok?

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Where have I said that?...... Still waiting!

covcity4life said:

still waiting

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My post was a sarcastic reply to your post of similar wording.

i accept your apology

Grendel said:

It's a fairly lazy sixth form type of label people use for Stalinist murderers such as Castro and his sidekick with a beret

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Frank Spencer?

covcity4life said:

i accept your apology

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You can fuck off pal! No apology from me.

Who says shuffle off this mortal coil? Also, why would you say he had just broken the geneva convention?

I can get the emotional side of it and to be honest I'd probably do the same, but why make it so obvious on camera?

I think being a squaddie saves many from turning to crime in the first place so only natural there will be some complete mercenaries among them. I guess in times of war you need those kind of characters (I could never do it) but that doesn't make what he did ok. Why wouldn't they destroy footage though? Soldier B is a gwaaaaaaasssss

Sky Blue Pete said:

I would struggle to see justice if I was the family of the person murdered by the marine but absolutely accept that asking someone to take part in war and expecting rational behaviour is a big ask. The eventual conclusion of the case seems fair to a laymen like me

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He never murdered him!
Would you also struggle to see justice for these men??????

Sky Blue Pete said:

Don't understand your point sbk.

No problem at all with them receiving justice. Would you have a problem if one of them was charged with manslaughter if as a child they had watched their family die in a house fire following a bomb landing on their house from allied forces during shock and awe?

Can't really have it both ways.

The marine murdered the individual, it has been downgraded to manslaughter for the reasons referred to and I think that's fair given I have only followed the news and can understand what killing a human being does to your mind

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It seems you along with the PC brigade(Not suggesting you're one of them) really don't get my point.