I will have a look.
I didn't say they did owned the freehold, I said the agreements were soon unpicked
The deal where SISU were to buy Higgs shares involved the lease being extended, to 125 years as I recall.It was all about unencumbered freehold in those days, although nobody tried offering a longer lease.
What nobody thought of doing, was the randomness of trying a shorter lease! Although since 'returning' SISU actively wanted short term deals.
Were sisu offered a 250 Year lease?True. Although you’ve “airbrushed” the fact they threw away our option on half. And refused any long term lease deal as they wanted the freehold. And I think, but could be wrong cos I can’t find a source to back me up, have said that they aren’t interested in a long term deal with Wasps either. And of course, broke the long term deal they had when they arrived.
But that doesn’t fit the Sisu are to blame for nothing rhetoric
Facts are we are where we are and we need to get back to a long term stable ground situation. Let’s all hope that’s Warwick for real this time and we aren’t all here in ten years debating another stadium mess (or god forbid the 84th legal battle between Sisu and whoever and the 82nd round of “short term rental negotiations while we build a ground”).
Were sisu offered a 250 Year lease?
It never got to that point.
They were offered 50% of ACL for £2m and turned it down, they were offered all of ACL and turned it down. They have repeatedly stated publicly and privately they didn't want what Wasps were asking for.
That's all correct. That being said, Fisher was on record that Wasps overpaid. He may yet be proved right of course...When was the 50% offer? Higgs turned the £2 million down and the council have never offered their share have they?
When was the 50% offer? Higgs turned the £2 million down and the council have never offered their share have they?
That's all correct. That being said, Fisher was on record that Wasps overpaid. He may yet be proved right of course...
The fundamental difference from what I can tell is that without a sports tenant ACL was worthless. So Sisu were negotiating assuming that without them it was worthless. Wasps threw a spanner in those works, making CCFC not the only game in town raised the value of ACL. I can see how Sisu would be pissed their tactic didn't work, but equally the council have a legal obligation to ensure their investment is protected and as laid out in the report putting it on the open market wasn't a serious possibility as only a football or rugby club could sustain it. Which means CCFC or Wasps. If CCFC weren't willing to pay what Wasps paid (and they clearly weren't as they had first dibs) then they don't get the deal. If they had, then we'd be sat here talking about the state aid case from Wasps against Sisu/CCC.
Still interested by this rumour that Seppala was interested in buying half of ACL (well I assume half, I heard 'wanted ownership'). Which makes the whole Warwick thing feel very much 'fine I'll build my own stadium with blackjack and hookers' a la 2014, rather than a serious thought through plan.
I maintain the best thing would've been for Sisu to pay the £2m for Higgs shares, that at best would have scuppered the Wasps deal (assuming Wasps wanted full ownership) then they become the only game in town again.
I don’t think there’s any argument she offered £2m hence the worthless charity jibe and higgs declined
If only it became clear a new ground really was going to happen.Got to say, the more I read this stuff, the more I hate the phrase 'it became clear'.
Talks broke down as CCFC couldn't sign an indemnity that prevented them from suing CCC in the future. The indemnity didn't include Wasps.
I guess much of this was known, but for me it clears up the conflicting statements of Wasps and CCFC about indemnity.
Welk it shows both sides indulge in semantics
If only it became clear a new ground really was going to happen.
Got to say, the more I read this stuff, the more I hate the phrase 'it became clear'.
I have met pre Sisu directors and they are certainly of the same opinion about one person and his destructive attitude towards the football club. In one case the language became very industrial.
I actually did also sit very near Jon Mutton in block 36 for many years and one episode really wasn’t very dignified of a council leader and he really didn’t gauge the mood of the people
True. Although you’ve “airbrushed” the fact they threw away our option on half. And refused any long term lease deal as they wanted the freehold. And I think, but could be wrong cos I can’t find a source to back me up, have said that they aren’t interested in a long term deal with Wasps either. And of course, broke the long term deal they had when they arrived.
But that doesn’t fit the Sisu are to blame for nothing rhetoric
Facts are we are where we are and we need to get back to a long term stable ground situation. Let’s all hope that’s Warwick for real this time and we aren’t all here in ten years debating another stadium mess (or god forbid the 84th legal battle between Sisu and whoever and the 82nd round of “short term rental negotiations while we build a ground”).
To be honest I just couldn't be bothered to write it all out, you did me a favour
I know they are very culpable, just there was history of ineptitude on a colossal scale prior to their arrival.
I'm hopeful on the Uni idea, I may be wrong be I feel one way or another we will have some clarity by this time next year. I would rather we built our own stadium but if we go back to the Ricoh, so be it, but if it was with Wasps gone all the better!
I've always thought it's the same house, different curtains.The worst thing about digging back to 2014 is how eerily similar the noises from Sisu are to today. Which I guess depending on your flavour means either they've always been telling the truth or never have
I've always thought it's the same house, different curtains.
Doesn't stop it being more complex than a simple good v bad.
If they have been telling the truth about a ground, they've been uniquely inept about realising it!
This is one roundabout I'd like to stop turning.
Agree. Feels very much like this though:
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Though I suppose after 22 years he was right!
I could be wrong, but things seem to be changing.
I hear rumours like everyone else, and this time it seems different, whether it be plans to build our own stadium or to get back to the Ricoh. I think there is more going on in the background than we know, and I hear and suspect Wasps financial situation is extremely poor at best, and precarious at worst.
Somethings going to give.
Agreed. Like I said (I think) I heard Sisu wanted ownership during talks. Could be they've been spending too much time on here and think Wasps will go pop and they can pick up the pieces.
Just always feels like the resolution is just over the horizon. Wait for the JR. Wait for JR2. Wait for State Aid. Wait for Wasps to die. Wait for the heat death of the universe.
Meanwhile I've literally grown a new fan from scratch in this time and I want her to see her club play in Cov.
What's seven years between fans!Im probably just a bit more patient than you
Im probably just a bit more patient than you
There's always an underlying SISU are cunts to every single post you post. Am I wrong?What's seven years between fans!
You're denying we have been waiting seven years for a ground?There's always an underlying SISU are cunts to every single post you post. Am I wrong?
There's always an underlying SISU are cunts to every single post you post. Am I wrong?
You know you're doing something right when you're SISU apologist to some, council stooge to others.Depends.
Ni I'm saying that you can't change your opinion that SISU are cunts.You're denying we have been waiting seven years for a ground?
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