Solutions to complete the Season (9 Viewers)

Flying Fokker · Mar 14, 2020

Otis said:
That would make the best sense in many ways. Increase the Premier League for one season, but then it is unfair that only two go up and there is no play off for the third promotion slot in the Championship.

The difficulty there is that it works for Liverpool and the Premier, but does not work for the lower tiers.

Why should the bottom Premier clubs be immune from relegation, but the Championship, L1 and L2, not?

Legals... I think the same could happen down to division 2. Then the lower tiers have the same issues.

Flying Fokker · Mar 14, 2020

Porkchophill said:
Ideally play out the season , if not possible find a formula like D-worth -Lewis from cricket , based on previous fixtures and predicted results against remaining teams . Biggest disappointment seeing our club have one of our best seasons on record and potentially none of us being able to see us win the title , 87 win fa cup banned from playing in Europe , 2020 world pandemic possibly scuppers promotion and being crowned champions .. oh the joy of being a cov fan

To forgetting playing away from the city.

Liquid Gold · Mar 14, 2020

If they end up voiding the season I don't know if I'lll have the motivation to come back. I'm due to move abroad at some point so the best case scenario involves watching ifollow but knowing we should have been promoted and it was stolen from us I don't think I could have the same enthusiasm. Are the premier league actually aware of this and the financial effect in the lower leagues and looking at getting rid of a few teams so they can stick B teams in the leagues.

Grendel · Mar 14, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
If they end up voiding the season I don't know if I'lll have the motivation to come back. I'm due to move abroad at some point so the best case scenario involves watching ifollow but knowing we should have been promoted and it was stolen from us I don't think I could have the same enthusiasm. Are thee premier league actually aware of this and the financial effect in the lower leagues and looking at getting rid of a few teams so they can stick B teams in the leagues.

To be honest I’d be the same - I’m looking to move area and this would weirdly motivate me more as I just couldn’t be bothered to go it just would make a farce of everything

Grendel · Mar 14, 2020

Skyblueweeman said:
Out of interest, who are you going to see G?

Listen to me....

Liquid Gold · Mar 14, 2020

You can't just call off a season after the majority of games have been played and expect fans to take it.

shepardo01 · Mar 14, 2020

Was absolutely gutted to hear that the season was suspended. No way we will be back playing by 4th April.
The leagues have to finish.
A positive is that ALL European leagues are in the same situation.

Haven't seen the following suggested anywhere but seems to me to be fairly sensible;
There is a World Cup in December 2222.

So, the leagues look at resuming THIS season when possible. If that takes us into restarting in summer, fine.
Play out the seasons in all leagues until finish (Approx November?)
Restart all leagues next Season in February - run until October/November....
Restart following season 2222 in Feb, finish November in time for world Cup
Radical, massive change, but why not continue football through just ONE calendar year from this point on.

All leagues in same boat.

Only issue is contracts, but because all in same situation, allow to run until end of this current season... (must be possible)

Johnnythespider · Mar 14, 2020

Surely if the season can't be completed a simple points per game ratio applied over the remaining fixtures is the fairest solution, not sure how anybody could complain about that after 75% of the season has been completed. It would also mean we are promoted as Champions, which will happen anyway.

Johnnythespider · Mar 14, 2020

shepardo01 said:
Was absolutely gutted to hear that the season was suspended. No way we will be back playing by 4th April.
The leagues have to finish.
A positive is that ALL European leagues are in the same situation.

Haven't seen the following suggested anywhere but seems to me to be fairly sensible;
There is a World Cup in December 2222.

So, the leagues look at resuming THIS season when possible. If that takes us into restarting in summer, fine.
Play out the seasons in all leagues until finish (Approx November?)
Restart all leagues next Season in February - run until October/November....
Restart following season 2222 in Feb, finish November in time for world Cup
Radical, massive change, but why not continue football through just ONE calendar year from this point on.

All leagues in same boat.

Only issue is contracts, but because all in same situation, allow to run until end of this current season... (must be possible)

Summer football, I'm a fan of this and think attendances would soar

Otis · Mar 14, 2020

Johnnythespider said:
Summer football, I'm a fan of this and think attendances would soar

They will have to. No-one is flying anywhere abroad on holiday.

Liquid Gold · Mar 14, 2020

The Euros will definitely get moved and that should give us time to finish the season in the summer. Contracts and loans extended on same terms and then we have a later start and drop a couple of competitions next year.

It’s easily doable. Anything else is self interest.

RegTheDonk · Mar 14, 2020

Otis said:
That would make the best sense in many ways. Increase the Premier League for one season, but then it is unfair that only two go up and there is no play off for the third promotion slot in the Championship.

The difficulty there is that it works for Liverpool and the Premier, but does not work for the lower tiers.

Why should the bottom Premier clubs be immune from relegation, but the Championship, L1 and L2, not?

I guess the EFL would follow suit? They suspended the season once the PL did.

Being totally selfish that would suit me, though if 5 went down next season we would be set a big challenge unless the off field situation improved.

the rumpo kid · Mar 14, 2020

Going back to the op ,anything that doesn't see Coventry city go up as champions won't be acceptable.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 14, 2020

Grendel said:
Listen to me....

Hear Me Out?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 14, 2020

Porkchophill said:
Ideally play out the season , if not possible find a formula like D-worth -Lewis from cricket , based on previous fixtures and predicted results against remaining teams .

So....Philosoraptor gets to decide?

steve cooper · Mar 14, 2020

There are an increasing a number of football people saying that there is no way the season should be cancelled. The government strategy is to try to create herd immunity. This will require two thirds of the UK population to get the virus and therefore build up immunity. This is based on the theory that each person on average infects 2 others. If this fails, that will mean that even if it peaks over the summer, it will likely be back with vengence next winter. Vaccines are 12 to 18 months away, and even then they will need some 5 billion plus doses worldwide. This means that likely next season will be disrupted as well, so the obvious answer is to complete this season no matter how long it takes, and look at whether it is worth having a 20/21 season at all, based on what is happening then.

Otis · Mar 14, 2020

Anyone else really what to see West Ham go down now?

RegTheDonk · Mar 14, 2020

Otis said:
Anyone else really what to see West Ham go down now?

Well perhaps their Vice-Chairman ....

Big_Ben · Mar 14, 2020

All very well to talk about next season assuming that all the teams will still be there to fight it out. Some are already living hand to mouth and losing the income from the remaining games this season could be terminal.

SkyblueTexan · Mar 14, 2020

I hope they don't void it. you cannot pretend that the season did not happen especially not after 30 odd games. If this happened in Sep or Oct, yes maybe it might have made sense to void the season. But not in March with just 10 games to play. It's easy for the West Ham Vice-Chair to want the season voided because West Ham could easily go down if the season were to be played out to completion. We need to find a more rational, middle of the road solution and not something as radical as scrapping the whole season for no fault of our own or that of the other teams in the automatic promotion places or Champions Leagues qualification places in the other divisions. What I've heard is that the Euros might be pushed to next year. So in the event the league cannot resume in Apr and things get postponed further out till say May, then I suggest:
1) The top 2 teams from the Championship, League 1 and League 2 be automatically promoted. Liverpool would be given the title in the Premiership.
2) Teams 3-6 in the Championship, League 1 and League 2 would have a BCD playoffs over the course of 1-2 weeks. Do a similar BCD playoff system for the Premiership to determine the top 4 or 5 (if Man City are banned from CL).
3) Bottom 6 teams in all divisions be paired up so that they have home/away playoff match where the loser gets relegated. They would be paired in such a way that the last team meets the 6th from bottom team, 2nd from bottom meets the 5th from bottom team etc.

I think the above suggestion would be quite fair. Obviously, teams just outside the playoffs might feel aggrieved, but it is what it is.

mrtrench · Mar 14, 2020

It seems to me that a bet on City winning the league at this point is a safe bet. Here's why:

1. The season's games are not going to be completed. It'll be worse in April - no way they'll start games again.
2. If the annul the season you get your money back.
3. But by any other method, I cannot see how we don't end up being crowned champions.

SIR ERNIE · Mar 14, 2020

steve cooper said:
There are an increasing a number of football people saying that there is no way the season should be cancelled. The government strategy is to try to create herd immunity. This will require two thirds of the UK population to get the virus and therefore build up immunity. This is based on the theory that each person on average infects 2 others. If this fails, that will mean that even if it peaks over the summer, it will likely be back with vengence next winter. Vaccines are 12 to 18 months away, and even then they will need some 5 billion plus doses worldwide. This means that likely next season will be disrupted as well, so the obvious answer is to complete this season no matter how long it takes, and look at whether it is worth having a 20/21 season at all, based on what is happening then.

I agree. The season is 75% - 80% completed, so the priority has to be to complete the outstanding fixtures before you start a whole new set of fixtures.

City’s next game has to be home to Shrewsbury. Liverpool’s next game away to Everton. If that’s not until November or even March 2021 then so be it.

Specs WT-R75 · Mar 14, 2020

Otis said:
That would make the best sense in many ways. Increase the Premier League for one season, but then it is unfair that only two go up and there is no play off for the third promotion slot in the Championship.

The difficulty there is that it works for Liverpool and the Premier, but does not work for the lower tiers.

Why should the bottom Premier clubs be immune from relegation, but the Championship, L1 and L2, not?

If the PL is willing to expand to 22 teams, there is not necessarily any need for relegation from any league. However personally I think the PL needs to make it 23 teams with no League Cup. That's 6 extra games instead of 1 cup competition. Perhaps also have PL teams enter FA cup at R4 instead...

That would leave 17/18 teams in Championship. That means 2-3 teams from L1 need to go up. With no Bury 3-4 teams still need to go up from L2. One off 4 team promotion from the National League. Sort out relegation over the next year, or 2 if needed.

Personally if the season isn't completed then the only fair way is points per game:

L2 Promoted: Crewe, Swindon, Plymouth, Cheltenham (ppg)
L1 Promoted: Cov, Rotherham, Wycombe (ppg).
Ch Promoted: Leeds, WBA, Fulham

fernandopartridge · Mar 14, 2020

There are no rules in the EFL book in relation to when a season starts and ends

Evo1883 · Mar 14, 2020

Can't see the season restarting at all tbh.... The only way we are going up is if its agreed by the FA and EFL.

I'm hoping we will and rightfully so too

We were up to now the best side in this division by a good distance and were 7 points clear in the promotion places with a game in hand.

better days · Mar 15, 2020

All reporters on The Sunday Supplement this morning thought the season has to finish no matter how late

shepardo01 · Mar 15, 2020

better days said:
All reporters on The Sunday Supplement this morning thought the season has to finish no matter how late

Tried to get this out there yesterday;
No way we will be back playing by 4thApril.
The leagues have to finish.
A positive is that ALL European leagues are in the same situation.

Haven't seen the following suggested anywhere but seems to me to be fairly sensible;
There is a World Cup in December 2222.

So, the leagues look at resuming THIS season when possible. If that takes us into restarting in summer, fine.
Play out the seasons in all leagues until finish (Approx November?)
Restart all leagues next Season in February - run until October/November....
Restart following season 2222 in Feb, finish November in time for world Cup
Radical, massive change, but why not continue football through just ONE calendar year from this point on.

All leagues in same boat.

Only issue is contracts, but because all in same situation, allow to run until end of this current season... (must be possible)

Grendel · Mar 15, 2020

shepardo01 said:
Tried to get this out there yesterday;
No way we will be back playing by 4thApril.
The leagues have to finish.
A positive is that ALL European leagues are in the same situation.

Haven't seen the following suggested anywhere but seems to me to be fairly sensible;
There is a World Cup in December 2222.

So, the leagues look at resuming THIS season when possible. If that takes us into restarting in summer, fine.
Play out the seasons in all leagues until finish (Approx November?)
Restart all leagues next Season in February - run until October/November....
Restart following season 2222 in Feb, finish November in time for world Cup
Radical, massive change, but why not continue football through just ONE calendar year from this point on.

All leagues in same boat.

Only issue is contracts, but because all in same situation, allow to run until end of this current season... (must be possible)

TV contracts will not allow this which is the problem

shepardo01 · Mar 15, 2020

Grendel said:
TV contracts will not allow this which is the problem

Somebody mentioned contract flexibility. Sky Andrew I think.
If you are referring to Euros and TV contracts, could play over Christmas??
...then everything falling into line with xmas tournaments from 2222 onwards?

steve cooper · Mar 15, 2020

shepardo01 said:
Somebody mentioned contract flexibility. Sky Andrew I think.
If you are referring to Euros and TV contracts, could play over Christmas??
...then everything falling into line with xmas tournaments from 2222 onwards?

But none of us will be here in 2222

steve cooper · Mar 15, 2020

I have thought all along that they won't void the season, and here is another reason. This virus looks certain to be with us until a vaccine is available widely. The thinking is, we could get it under control and it would then resurge, probably next winter. That could easily mean disruption to next season. To void 2 seasons in a row would surely have a devastating impact on football clubs. Surely it's far better for the game to bring this season to some sort of proper conclusion than to potentially have 2 cancelled seasons in a row. They need to find a solution that could be a basis for a solution should we need it next season.

OldBedrocker · Mar 15, 2020

mrtrench said:
It seems to me that a bet on City winning the league at this point is a safe bet. Here's why:

1. The season's games are not going to be completed. It'll be worse in April - no way they'll start games again.
2. If the annul the season you get your money back.
3. But by any other method, I cannot see how we don't end up being crowned champions.

I wouldn’t bet on it Paddy Power have suspended the cash out option on my bet. They did it immediately after the announcement about suspending the fixtures

TewkesburySkyBlue · Mar 16, 2020

Sorry if this has been posted before but what’s the problem with playing all remaining matches behind closed doors and allowing all season ticket holders free access to I follow? They’d need to suspend the rule to allow watching in this country.
Also non ST holders could buy passes . I wouldn’t be surprised if the ‘crowds’ increased under this solution.
Not ideal of course but it would see the season out and give the club some revenue and they wouldn’t have to,pay for policing / stewards etc ..

CCFC88 · Mar 16, 2020

Wouldn't be surprised to see behind closed doors games being played in April with a ban on pubs opening. Broadcasters need cash and they hold the EPL EFL to ransom. A shortened season 20-21 would see a pro rata reduction in TV money received by clubs which is huge

mrtrench · Mar 16, 2020

OldBedrocker said:
I wouldn’t bet on it Paddy Power have suspended the cash out option on my bet. They did it immediately after the announcement about suspending the fixtures

Most bookies have removed odds, others have shortened them - but you can still bet on Betfair Exchange. The only downside I see are that somehow they do manage to resume the season and we screw it up.

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