Banqueting areas pmsl.
Sorry, I meant at Sixfields. His words were:
At Northampton, Rent includes; all stadium related first team match day services including pitch maintenance, utilities, refuse collection and covers the following facilities - the pitch, the stadium, the stadium seating, the changing rooms, hospitality suites and banqueting areas, match day staff facilities, media facilities.
The stadium also provide all catering staff, all grounds men. The licensee (the club) separately provide stewards, crowd doctor, crowd ambulance, player ambulance.
But would'nt Clarify the exact details of the cost.he gives a complete breakdown their of whats in the sixfields deal, even to banqueting area's. has he ever done such a break down on the last rent deal they were "paying" for the Ricoh or supplied one for the not "direct" offer?
Just to go back to the letter, were I the trust I'd be minded to take this approach:
Contact the Guardian, and see if they stand by their article. I note that at this moment in time they have neither taken down the article nor inserted/added any correction.
At the same time, I'd send Speechly Bircham an email saying that you've complied with their request at the moment, but you would like further specific details regarding why their client feels the article is inaccurate, misleading, and distorted.
I would offer to freely publish those details too, in the interest of balance.
I would also ask for Speechly Birham to indicate within the next fourteen days whether they intend to take action or not, or explain why they need longer to decide. Clarity is needed in this regard, because an open ended threat of legal action here might well be considered to be a simple blunt instrument to prevent free speech, this rather than representing a genuine concern by their client that they have been unfairly slighted.
Les Reid fails to comdemn it, in fact he misrepresents it instead, saying
@TheSkyBlueTrust's now published #CCFC letter. Seems to advise removing @guardian article link IF #CCFC takes action http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/attachments/article/324/slet.png …
which isn't what it says at all.
Including one who derides Supporters Direct as 'out-of-towner's
But would'nt Clarify the exact details of the cost.
You, like many others, mistake being impartial with accrediting equal blame to both sides.
It's not impartial to say "the Nazis and the Jews were both to blame for the holocaust" because the facts don't support that.
And what about the now. Now that we're not paying Bell and Wood. Now that we have a team full of youngsters hungry to get in on the action. A Strike partnership worth fearing by other teams. A manager who wants the club to go places and seemingly signing the right players? Is this not SISUs doing as well? Do you not want all the match day revenue to go to the club to help the club to grow? From what I have read, ACL are not willing to give us this. But it's ok, because they aren't SISU so it's allowed to go unnoticed and we'll continue to let SISU know how badly the ran things when they first came on board (Which they did).
We had a go at the previous bunch who were mostly clueless and got us relegated from the premiership. I can remember the shouting of "sack the board" at HR and away matches. However there were good things that remember from their stewardship for want of a better word - some of the fondest being when they sacked/ousted/removed the 'lovely' Brian Richardson, when we spent a memorable evening at an Old Trafford cup game beating a team with 6 internationals, beating Man City at home 5-1 etc. They were responsible for us selling our stake in the Arena project to a Charity and our leaving of the only home ground I'd ever known (and what a last match that was). But we went to modern facilities that were better than most in the division. Not only that but we had the chance to fairly re acquire our stake in ACL from the Charity who had also built us a facility for our Academy.
They were responsible for the situation where we needed someone to come in and acquire the club. But at least they had set up a solution for us to get back into the stadium management firm and have some control.
Sisu came in and made the fans promises that they didn't keep. Got us relegated against a backdrop of falling attendances and moved us out of our Coventry home and the Academy out of theirs. Yes we're having a very good start to the season (all credit to the team and manager) but I can't overlook the things SISU did that got us to where we are now. Not to mention the fact that we're going to be stuck in Northampton until they build a new stadium which they are taking their time over. Or the fact that their lawyers sent a letter to the Trust (a body representing their customers) which had it been addressed to me, I would have felt threatened by.
I mean threatening the Cat 2 status of the Academy over a mower or whatever it was is idiotic, these youngsters are our future!
We had a go at the previous bunch who were mostly clueless and got us relegated from the premiership. I can remember the shouting of "sack the board" at HR and away matches. However there were good things that remember from their stewardship for want of a better word - some of the fondest being when they sacked/ousted/removed the 'lovely' Brian Richardson, when we spent a memorable evening at an Old Trafford cup game beating a team with 6 internationals, beating Man City at home 5-1 etc. They were responsible for us selling our stake in the Arena project to a Charity and our leaving of the only home ground I'd ever known (and what a last match that was). But we went to modern facilities that were better than most in the division. Not only that but we had the chance to fairly re acquire our stake in ACL from the Charity who had also built us a facility for our Academy.
They were responsible for the situation where we needed someone to come in and acquire the club. But at least they had set up a solution for us to get back into the stadium management firm and have some control.
Sisu came in and made the fans promises that they didn't keep. Got us relegated against a backdrop of falling attendances and moved us out of our Coventry home and the Academy out of theirs. Yes we're having a very good start to the season (all credit to the team and manager) but I can't overlook the things SISU did that got us to where we are now. Not to mention the fact that we're going to be stuck in Northampton until they build a new stadium which they are taking their time over. Or the fact that their lawyers sent a letter to the Trust (a body representing their customers) which had it been addressed to me, I would have felt threatened by.
I mean threatening the Cat 2 status of the Academy over a mower or whatever it was is idiotic, these youngsters are our future!
I appreciate that the past has been poor regards to SISU, the mistakes made were ridiculous when you look back. Too much money was wasted on awful players and as has been pointed out many a time, they should have bought the share in the stadium when they had the chance. But the people who were responsible for those decisions are no longer on our board and the investment is now in the youth rather than expensive has-beens. There has been change in the way this club has been run in the last 18 months. Not all of it for the good, but there does seem to be a long term vision where the owners of the club and the stadium are the same. This has to be a good thing, regardless of the conspiracy theories about SISU charging the club as much rent as ACL have done.
With regards to the letter, would you have preferred a letter that says that you WILL be sued for posting the article rather than a warning that you might be sued if you didn't take it down? There has been history in the past between fans and the owners that has resulted in a legal squabble.
Good post james and it sums up my thought, except.
we are not sisu's customers, that title belongs to their investors. we are a dwindling commodity of a company that they own, no more and no less.
I appreciate that the past has been poor regards to SISU, the mistakes made were ridiculous when you look back. Too much money was wasted on awful players and as has been pointed out many a time, they should have bought the share in the stadium when they had the chance. But the people who were responsible for those decisions are no longer on our board and the investment is now in the youth rather than expensive has-beens. There has been change in the way this club has been run in the last 18 months. Not all of it for the good, but there does seem to be a long term vision where the owners of the club and the stadium are the same. This has to be a good thing, regardless of the conspiracy theories about SISU charging the club as much rent as ACL have done.
With regards to the letter, would you have preferred a letter that says that you WILL be sued for posting the article rather than a warning that you might be sued if you didn't take it down?
There has been history in the past between fans and the owners that has resulted in a legal squabble.
I appreciate that the past has been poor regards to SISU, the mistakes made were ridiculous when you look back. Too much money was wasted on awful players and as has been pointed out many a time, they should have bought the share in the stadium when they had the chance. But the people who were responsible for those decisions are no longer on our board and the investment is now in the youth rather than expensive has-beens. There has been change in the way this club has been run in the last 18 months. Not all of it for the good, but there does seem to be a long term vision where the owners of the club and the stadium are the same. This has to be a good thing, regardless of the conspiracy theories about SISU charging the club as much rent as ACL have done.
With regards to the letter, would you have preferred a letter that says that you WILL be sued for posting the article rather than a warning that you might be sued if you didn't take it down? There has been history in the past between fans and the owners that has resulted in a legal squabble.
we are not sisu's customers, that title belongs to their investors. we are a dwindling commodity of a company that they own, no more and no less.
far far too much credit.
Whilst the "has beens" are gone, its down to reducing wages costs, as opposed to a strategic decision to invest in youth.
At some point, a club of our size has to win a game or two. Everyone is raving about how we are doing this season, and lets face it, even without the 10 point deduction, we would only be 4th in League One !
Which would explain why Sisu threatened our Category 2 Academy status :facepalm:Reducing wage costs are inevitable after relegation to League 1. Yes, SISU can be a major cause for that too! But now we're here, the silly thing to do would be to just throw more money at the team hoping to get promoted again and increase the debt. The right thing to do is invest in the youth.
, I'm not trying to paint SISU as saints, but it should be pointed out where they are going right as well as wrong. Or are we not allowed balance on here?
I'm not trying to paint SISU as saints, but it should be pointed out where they are going right as well as wrong. Or are we not allowed balance on here?
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