SP. No incoming transfers. (16 Viewers)

stupot07 · Jan 23, 2015

Astute said:
So when was the cut off point from last season to this season?

And whatever date you want to use there is an extra 5m approx that wasn't from normal expected income.......none of which was reinvested. And 3m plus was what was said about for Wilson after the deal went through.

Of course some of it is normal revenues. Our first season at the ricoh we had a turnover of £6.5m and that included a JPT cup run, big away cup ties at Arsenal and tottenham, selling bigi, keogh, compensation for robins, promotion payments for Gunnar and turner, that's probably not far off. We lost £9m that season.

I would say the cut off is when the summer transfer window opens.

I would also argue that the values publicised probably aren't anywhere near what we actually got for them - look at danny doc £1.5m move to celtic which ended up being £700k of which we only made £225k profit.

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stupot07 · Jan 23, 2015

The Gentleman said:
Stupot, Ill ask again in case you missed it.

So, out of the two options I gave, which would you prefer?

Yes, I had missed it. I would prefer a short term promotion, but not if it then restricts for the medium to long term. Like I said we're between a rock and a hard place.

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The Gentleman · Jan 23, 2015

stupot07 said:
Yes, I had missed it. I would prefer a short term promotion, but not if it then restricts for the medium to long term. Like I said we're between a rock and a hard place.

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Cheers for replying. Would it not be beneficial though in the medium term at least to gain a couple of promotions to the championship, pocket the £10 million from that and the extra revenue from tickets as they would surely increase? Sisu aren't going to build a new stadium and they fucked up any chance of getting the Ricoh so surely the best way to at least make us sellable would be to invest to try and achieve the above or otherwise what is there for us/them?

Astute · Jan 23, 2015

stupot07 said:
Of course some of it is normal revenues. Our first season at the ricoh we had a turnover of £6.5m and that included a JPT cup run, big away cup ties at Arsenal and tottenham, selling bigi, keogh, compensation for robins, promotion payments for Gunnar and turner, that's probably not far off. We lost £9m that season.

I would say the cut off is when the summer transfer window opens.

I would also argue that the values publicised probably aren't anywhere near what we actually got for them - look at danny doc £1.5m move to celtic which ended up being £700k of which we only made £225k profit.

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So this season was abnormal as we didn't get a big cup tie? As we don't most seasons these days.

Whichever way anyone puts it just 10% reinvested in a goalscorer would have made a massive difference......but there again SP is our manager........

wingy · Jan 23, 2015

Astute said:
So this season was abnormal as we didn't get a big cup tie? As we don't most seasons these days.

Whichever way anyone puts it just 10% reinvested in a goalscorer would have made a massive difference......but there again SP is our manager........

that lad at Swindon cost £100K and has scored .............what 18???

Astute · Jan 23, 2015

wingy said:
that lad at Swindon cost £100K and has scored .............what 18???

Yes......about 2% of our extra income.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 23, 2015

wingy said:
that lad at Swindon cost £100K and has scored .............what 18???

Thats Andy Williams who has 18 goals, free transfer actually from Yeovil 2 or 3 years back, must be shit as they didn't pay for him.

Your thinking of Smith, cost about 50-100k from Charlton has 10 goals for Swindon this year.

Astute · Jan 23, 2015

CCFC said:
Thats Andy Williams who has 18 goals, free transfer actually from Yeovil 2 or 3 years back, must be shit as they didn't pay for him.

Your thinking of Smith, cost about 50-100k from Charlton has 10 goals for Swindon this year.

But how many have our freebies scored so far?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 23, 2015

Astute said:
So this season was abnormal as we didn't get a big cup tie? As we don't most seasons these days.

Whichever way anyone puts it just 10% reinvested in a goalscorer would have made a massive difference......but there again SP is our manager........

Thats what I would have liked to have seen done to try and get one of the young upcoming goalscorers from lower down the pyramid, instead the money was put into extra wages to get strikers with championship experience in Tudgay, Jackson, Nouble, Madine. And as you say SP is our manager, if he had the money available he would have likely went out and signed Higdon as that was his rumoured target who would have cost a lot in wages and transfer fee and who has been a massive flop and waste of money at Sheffield Utd

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 23, 2015

Astute said:
But how many have our freebies scored so far?

Not enough and I'd say Pressley has to take a lot of the blame for that.

stupot07 · Jan 23, 2015

League One Top scorers

Doyle - 18 goals - free
Williams - 18 goals - free
Forte - 13 goals - free
Bradshaw - 12 goals - undisclosed
(Free agent - compensation as 21)
Henderson - 12 - free
Alli - 11 - academy product
Garner - 11 - free
Hourihane - 11 - £200k

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Astute · Jan 23, 2015

stupot07 said:
League One Top scorers

Doyle - 18 goals - free
Williams - 18 goals - free
Forte - 13 goals - free
Bradshaw - 12 goals - undisclosed
(Free agent - compensation as 21)
Henderson - 12 - free
Alli - 11 - academy product
Garner - 11 - free
Hourihane - 11 - £200k

Keep going. Not reached any of our players yet

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 23, 2015

You can tell SP isn't going to bring many in Celtic have let 20 year old Marcus Fraser go and we haven't tried to sign him before he went to Ross County he looked the perfect signing 20 years old and played 10 senior games he could have been another Stuart Urquhart!

stupot07 · Jan 23, 2015

Astute said:
Keep going. Not reached any of our players yet

Yep very depressing worst still, I'd only really heard of Garner off that list, yet we go for 'names' jackson, Tudguy, madine and Nouble.......

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 23, 2015

Astute said:
Keep going. Not reached any of our players yet

Point is there are decent players out there on a budget if you look hard enough, one of the common arguments is that we can't afford anyone that could do any better. Well we can and that list proves it, Pressley has either brought in players who are not good enough and that's his fault as there were better players available which we could have had or they are good enough and he's not getting the best out of them.

Grendel · Jan 24, 2015

stupot07 said:
League One Top scorers

Doyle - 18 goals - free
Williams - 18 goals - free
Forte - 13 goals - free
Bradshaw - 12 goals - undisclosed
(Free agent - compensation as 21)
Henderson - 12 - free
Alli - 11 - academy product
Garner - 11 - free
Hourihane - 11 - £200k

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Surely Sheffield uniteds Michael Higdon must be somewhere on that list?

Gazolba · Jan 24, 2015

stupot07 said:
League One Top scorers

Doyle - 18 goals - free
Williams - 18 goals - free
Forte - 13 goals - free
Bradshaw - 12 goals - undisclosed
(Free agent - compensation as 21)
Henderson - 12 - free
Alli - 11 - academy product
Garner - 11 - free
Hourihane - 11 - £200k

They aren't free. They have to be paid wages.

Gazolba · Jan 24, 2015

CCFC said:
Point is there are decent players out there on a budget if you look hard enough, one of the common arguments is that we can't afford anyone that could do any better. Well we can and that list proves it, Pressley has either brought in players who are not good enough and that's his fault as there were better players available which we could have had or they are good enough and he's not getting the best out of them.

Just because a player scores 18 goals for some other club does not mean they are going to score that many for us. If there is no-one to set up chances, no goals will be scored. That is evidenced by the 'shots on target' figures in many of our games. All the players in a team have to work together to contribute to the chances and scoring. And even if we had the right players, do you think SP would play the right formation or even put players in their best positions?

1940oldfive · Jan 24, 2015

Woodster said:
In; Martin, Nouble & Jones - Two of the three obviously were here before

Out; Clarke, Daniels, Hines, McQuoid, Alsopp, (likely) Madine, (possibly in a couple of weeks) Pennington

To me that's not wheeling and dealing, that's having his budget cut. In terms of numbers from December we are 4 players down, with two loan expiring in the next 2 weeks or so. You can say what you like about Pressley's managerial ability but the man clearly has the patience of a saint.

a castrated one

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 24, 2015

Gazolba said:
Just because a player scores 18 goals for some other club does not mean they are going to score that many for us. If there is no-one to set up chances, no goals will be scored. That is evidenced by the 'shots on target' figures in many of our games. All the players in a team have to work together to contribute to the chances and scoring. And even if we had the right players, do you think SP would play the right formation or even put players in their best positions?

I agree put some of them players listed in our team and Pressley will probably turn them to crap, I'd also imagine Madine would score a lot of goals in an attacking team in this division. I was just sorta covering both angles there, Pressley has either brought crap players when better were available or his system isn't getting the best out of them, whatever opinion you hold I think the manager has to take a lot of the fault.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 24, 2015

stupot07 said:
yet we go for 'names' jackson, Tudguy, madine and Nouble.......

Our problem since time forgot, we like past flavours of the month, even if they now taste like white dog poo.

Calista · Jan 24, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Our problem since time forgot, we like past flavours of the month, even if they now taste like white dog poo.

"White dog poo" dates you a bit Northern - I haven't seen any of that since about 1971! Whatever happened to that much-loved feature of the British street scene?

Samo · Jan 24, 2015

Norman Lockhart said:
"White dog poo" dates you a bit Northern - I haven't seen any of that since about 1971! Whatever happened to that much-loved feature of the British
street scene?

They changed the recipe for Winalot. No seriously.

Deleted member 5849 · Jan 24, 2015

Oi, later than 1971, you cheeky scamp.

Wouldn't even have been a twinkle in my Dad's eye then(!)

Calista · Jan 25, 2015

Samo said:
They changed the recipe for Winalot. No seriously.

Maybe it was full of chalk or something before? They should reinstate the old recipe, which gave the “end product” a nice firm texture – dry enough to use it for a quick game of footy without getting your school shoes in a mess. But you try telling the youngsters of today that and they won’t believe you.

NW was obviously an even naughtier child, because he knows what it tasted like.

ollyservetta · Jan 25, 2015

Samo said:
They changed the recipe for Winalot. No seriously.

I thought it was down to people feeding their dogs bleached tripe

rightumpty · Jan 25, 2015

To be fair if we're getting rid of Waggot we might as well get rid of Fisher as well. Think of the money that would save. Then we might get a budget for players. But who would then lick Joys arse.

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