SP: We've Made Offers, Just Waiting For Responses (7 Viewers)

letsallsingtogether · Jun 22, 2014

One more the us!!
So wouldn't you like to see us back in the Pre??

Seriously thou back to the thread, we are losing players yet we are not replacing them will we get the same excuses next season when we have to bring in any old player just to fill a gap and then say..

He is not match fit.
He never had a pre-season.
He has only just met his fellow team mates on the coach up here.

We need to get them in early enough so that Steve and his team can actually see what they are like, and if they will fit into his plans.

Same mistakes every season not expecting any superstars but would like time to be able to name players that play in our team haven't been able to do that for a while,

They could pass me in the street and I wouldn't have the foggiest who they were.

Grendel said:
For one season.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 22, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
One more the us!!
So wouldn't you like to see us back in the Pre??

Seriously thou back to the thread, we are losing players yet we are not replacing them will we get the same excuses next season when we have to bring in any old player just to fill a gap and then say..

He is not match fit.
He never had a pre-season.
He has only just met his fellow team mates on the coach up here.

We need to get them in early enough so that Steve and his team can actually see what they are like, and if they will fit into his plans.

Same mistakes every season not expecting any superstars but would like time to be able to name players that play in our team haven't been able to do that for a while,

They could pass me in the street and I wouldn't have the foggiest who they were.

Agree with that. Pre-season is so important to getting people integrated in the squad and getting everybody on the same page tactically and fitness wise.

The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

Grendel said:
For one season.

What is that worth plus parachute payments?

Imagine what money that would be if they stayed up like some of the other teams who have been promoted to the PL?

Finally, ask QPR's fans if they thought it was worth all the spending and debt now they are in the PL or if they would rather switch positions with us.

Nick · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
What is that worth plus parachute payments?

Imagine what money that would be if they stayed up like some of the other teams who have been promoted to the PL?

Finally, ask QPR's fans if they thought it was worth all the spending and debt now they are in the PL or if they would rather switch positions with us.

Ask Portsmouth fans that

Terry Gibson's perm · Jun 23, 2014

Grendel said:
For one season.

I think they will stop up as they have England's greatest living manager (if you believe the press) in Arry.

ccfcway · Jun 23, 2014

Terry Gibson's perm said:
I think they will stop up as they have England's greatest living manager (if you believe the press) in Arry.

tbf, he cant have done much worse than P2 L2

stupot07 · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
What is that worth plus parachute payments?

Imagine what money that would be if they stayed up like some of the other teams who have been promoted to the PL?

Finally, ask QPR's fans if they thought it was worth all the spending and debt now they are in the PL or if they would rather switch positions with us.

The extra revenue from getting back to PL won't cover QPR's losses, they'll continue to make a loss next season, if they then come straight back down they will be making similar losses as they did last year.

Yes, the PL and parachute payments bring in a lot of money, but that's almost instantly taken up by inflated wages trying to stay on the PL, you then get relegated with a huge wage bill which the parachute payments hardly touches.

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The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

Nick said:
Ask Portsmouth fans that

FFS Nick, forget the smiley and tell me, is your glass ever half full?

Hedge funds are all about taking risks aren't they? I reckon £2.5m well spent in this league on players and wages would get us promotion which as we are lead to believe is worth £5m. A good chance to double your money.

The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

stupot07 said:
The extra revenue from getting back to PL won't cover QPR's losses, they'll continue to make a loss next season, if they then come straight back down they will be making similar losses as they did last year.

Yes, the PL and parachute payments bring in a lot of money, but that's almost instantly taken up by inflated wages trying to stay on the PL, you then get relegated with a huge wage bill which the parachute payments hardly touches.

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As you say 'if'. What about if they stay up like some of the other teams that have had promotion from the championship, or are you going to come up with another stat that shows they will be relegated because their name begins with Q or something?

Nick · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
FFS Nick, forget the smiley and tell me, is your glass ever half full?

Hedge funds are all about taking risks aren't they? I reckon £2.5m well spent in this league on players and wages would get us promotion which as we are lead to believe is worth £5m. A good chance to double your money.

I fully agree, but isn't that the sort of thing that kind of got us into this mess in the first place?

stupot07 · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
As you say 'if'. What about if they stay up like some of the other teams that have had promotion from the championship, or are you going to come up with another stat that shows they will be relegated because their name begins with Q or something?

If they stay up, they'll still be losing shed loads of money, especially with 'Arry in charge.

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The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

stupot07 said:
If they stay up, they'll still be losing shed loads of money, especially with 'Arry in charge.

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Where is your stat to back this up?

The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

Nick said:
I fully agree, but isn't that the sort of thing that kind of got us into this mess in the first place?

Being optimistic is why we are in this mess now? Please don't tell me you are now being pessimistic about Pressley and Waggot and their ability to manage the team and sign good players. Jesus, do you have any Joy* in your life?

* I am not saying that you have Joy Seppella in your life otherwise that would make you pro Sisu!

Nick · Jun 23, 2014

No I mean spending big money on players we can't actually afford to have. Yes if the gamble pays off it is worthwhile, but it didn't when we got relegated from the Prem and look what has happened...

stupot07 · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
Where is your stat to back this up?

Just a hunch based on this...

QUEENS PARK RANGERS
Accounts for the year to 31 May 2013

Ownership: 66% by Tune QPR , registered in Malaysia, owned by Tony Fernandes and partners Kamarudin Meranun and Ruben Gnanalingam; 33% by Sea Dream Ltd, family holding of Lakshmi Mittal

Turnover: 18th in league, £61m (down from £64m in 2012)

Gate receipts: £8m

TV and media: £43m

Sponsorship and advertising: £5m

Commercial: £4m

Uefa and other: £0.9m

Wage bill: 7th highest, £78m (up from £58m in 2012)

Wages as proportion of turnover: 128%

Loss before tax: £65m (up from £23m loss in 2012)

Net Debt: £177m

Interest payable: £0.1m

Highest paid director: Directors of the holding company were not paid

The state it's in:

In a league generally more steadily run these days, QPR under owners Tony Fernandes and his associates feels like an overspending throwback. Loftus Road's 18,000 capacity will always struggle to support a Premier League-sized wage bill, but after promotion under Neil Warnock in 2011, Fernandes sanctioned huge expenditure for new manager Mark Hughes in 2012, then Harry Redknapp in January 2013, which did not stave off relegation. The result is the £65m loss, £110m loaned by Fernandes and partners, with the club in the Championship and a new stadium still at the early planning stage.

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The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

Nick said:
No I mean spending big money on players we can't actually afford to have. Yes if the gamble pays off it is worthwhile, but it didn't when we got relegated from the Prem and look what has happened...

But if everyone is buying into the Pressley and Waggot mantra, surely it is a calculated gamble worth taking. Besides, the previous relegations in my opinion were the fault of the direction of the club and shite managers we have had. We had the players both times to make sure that we should have been safe.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
But if everyone is buying into the Pressley and Waggot mantra, surely it is a calculated gamble worth taking. Besides, the previous relegations in my opinion were the fault of the direction of the club and shite managers we have had. We had the players both times to make sure that we should have been safe.

Build the infrastructure first and the club's better placed to find its level and grow with ambition.

Just spunk it on players and you trust to luck... and are probably owned by dubious shysters with an eye to a return, rather than the long term health of the club.

The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

stupot07 said:
Just a hunch based on this...

QUEENS PARK RANGERS
Accounts for the year to 31 May 2013

Ownership: 66% by Tune QPR , registered in Malaysia, owned by Tony Fernandes and partners Kamarudin Meranun and Ruben Gnanalingam; 33% by Sea Dream Ltd, family holding of Lakshmi Mittal

Turnover: 18th in league, £61m (down from £64m in 2012)

Gate receipts: £8m

TV and media: £43m

Sponsorship and advertising: £5m

Commercial: £4m

Uefa and other: £0.9m

Wage bill: 7th highest, £78m (up from £58m in 2012)

Wages as proportion of turnover: 128%

Loss before tax: £65m (up from £23m loss in 2012)

Net Debt: £177m

Interest payable: £0.1m

Highest paid director: Directors of the holding company were not paid

The state it's in:

In a league generally more steadily run these days, QPR under owners Tony Fernandes and his associates feels like an overspending throwback. Loftus Road's 18,000 capacity will always struggle to support a Premier League-sized wage bill, but after promotion under Neil Warnock in 2011, Fernandes sanctioned huge expenditure for new manager Mark Hughes in 2012, then Harry Redknapp in January 2013, which did not stave off relegation. The result is the £65m loss, £110m loaned by Fernandes and partners, with the club in the Championship and a new stadium still at the early planning stage.

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Not denying that QPR are a mess. However, as they are in debt upto their eyes the same as us and the possibility of it all collapsing the same as us, would you take their position or ours at this precise moment? Bearing in mind they are in the PL, play in their ground and have owners willing to spend? Oh and I see that they have planning for a new ground which we don't.

The Gentleman · Jun 23, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Build the infrastructure first and the club's better placed to find its level and grow with ambition.

Just spunk it on players and you trust to luck... and are probably owned by dubious shysters with an eye to a return, rather than the long term health of the club.

Are you telling me that Sisu/Otium are building for the future? because that would mean that they are being pro-active whereas all I have seen them do is be re-active with one bad decision after another.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
Are you telling me that Sisu/Otium are building for the future? because that would mean that they are being pro-active whereas all I have seen them do is be re-active with one bad decision after another.

No I'm not. Where on earth did you get that?!?

Although we do still have an academy, and they are trying to resolve the ground issue ( ), which is more than they did when spunking cash at a problem, ignoring the foundations in the interests of a quick buck, and failing...

stupot07 · Jun 23, 2014

The Gentleman said:
Not denying that QPR are a mess. However, as they are in debt upto their eyes the same as us and the possibility of it all collapsing the same as us, would you take their position or ours at this precise moment? Bearing in mind they are in the PL, play in their ground and have owners willing to spend? Oh and I see that they have planning for a new ground which we don't.

Actually, I don't think I would. They are us/Portsmouth waiting to happen and if we ever get out of this shit, I don't want to ever have to go through this again. I would rather we hit rock bottom (I don't think we have yet) and rebuild sensibly like Swansea.

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shmmeee · Jun 23, 2014

Nick said:
No I mean spending big money on players we can't actually afford to have. Yes if the gamble pays off it is worthwhile, but it didn't when we got relegated from the Prem and look what has happened...

Why is it always binary? As soon as someone says they'd like us to challenge, people take it as "let's turn into Man City".

There's a whole load of levels of investment between "only frees" and "spend like it's going out of fashion".

wingy · Jun 25, 2014

Don't know If anyone posted but I see Boyd opted for Rangers

Jack Griffin · Jun 25, 2014

wingy said:
Don't know If anyone posted but I see Boyd opted for Rangers

Quel surprise!

sky blue john · Jun 25, 2014

wingy said:
Don't know If anyone posted but I see Boyd opted for Rangers

Surely not over the chance of playing at Sixfields !!

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