There are many players who were on the books of premier league teams who turned out to be garbage.
How do you rate the following players:
Jay Da Silva
Kasey Palmer
Bradley Collins
Todd Kane
Fankaty Dabo
How do you rate the following players:
Jay Da Silva
Kasey Palmer
Bradley Collins
Todd Kane
Fankaty Dabo
Yeah I’m sure there are but I’d rather us not be wasting £4-5 mil on L1 players, the step up to being a quality player at championship level just seems too much for most L1 players, particularly when we’re paying the sort of money we are for these players. Risking £1-2 mil on a L1 player is fine but £4-5 mil just seems a waste to me.
Dabo was far from the best of the lot. Relative to where we were at the time he was very good, but as a Championship player he was probably the worst of the lot.Dasilva - below average
Palmer - great in some games, far from great in others
Collins - shit so far
Kane - alright I guess
Dabo - brilliant at his peak, not particularly consistent
And all of those players, bar Dabo (who was maybe the best out of that lot), were picked up by a prem club and then released, only to be picked up by a Championship/L1 club, meaning that they clearly didn’t fulfil the position the original prem club saw in them. I think buying a player from another championship or L1 team is different to buying them straight from a prem team, you know that they’re not amazing by the fact another Championship/L1 team is willing to let them go.
As i've said before too, there's a certain hypocrisy to expecting to receive huge money for your second tier players and not expecting any filter down to the third tier.These are huge, sweeping conclusions to be drawing after 9 games.
How often do all 3 promoted League 1 teams go straight back down? 2 of them sit above us right now and last season Ipswich went all the way through the league with most of the team they were promoted with. It's a nonsense statement.the step up to being a quality player at championship level just seems too much for most L1 players,
These are huge, sweeping conclusions to be drawing after 9 games.
How often do all 3 promoted League 1 teams go straight back down? 2 of them sit above us right now and last season Ipswich went all the way through the league with most of the team they were promoted with. It's a nonsense statement.
Dabo was far from the best of the lot. Relative to where we were at the time he was very good, but as a Championship player he was probably the worst of the lot.
Da Silva and Palmer were not released, they went to Bristol City for fees at the same timeDasilva - below average
Palmer - great in some games, far from great in others
Collins - shit so far
Kane - alright I guess
Dabo - brilliant at his peak, not particularly consistent
And all of those players, bar Dabo (who was maybe the best out of that lot), were picked up by a prem club and then released, only to be picked up by a Championship/L1 club, meaning that they clearly didn’t fulfil the position the original prem club saw in them. I think buying a player from another championship or L1 team is different to buying them straight from a prem team, you know that they’re not amazing by the fact another Championship/L1 team is willing to let them go.
Dasilva - below average
Palmer - great in some games, far from great in others
Collins - shit so far
Kane - alright I guess
Dabo - brilliant at his peak, not particularly consistent
And all of those players, bar Dabo (who was maybe the best out of that lot), were picked up by a prem club and then released, only to be picked up by a Championship/L1 club, meaning that they clearly didn’t fulfil the position the original prem club saw in them. I think buying a player from another championship or L1 team is different to buying them straight from a prem team, you know that they’re not amazing by the fact another Championship/L1 team is willing to let them go.
That's the opposite to your argument about the signing of Sheaf
Da Silva and Palmer were not released, they went to Bristol City for fees at the same time
So Ben Sheaf?Sorry when I said released I meant let go or bought out, obviously that’s not the correct definition of “released” but I just mean the player in all likelihood wasn’t good enough to stay at the original club so they let the player in question leave.
Sheaf wasn’t good enough to stay at Arsenal.Sorry when I said released I meant let go or bought out, obviously that’s not the correct definition of “released” but I just mean the player in all likelihood wasn’t good enough to stay at the original club so they let the player in question leave.
With foreign sounding surnamesSheaf wasn’t good enough to stay at Arsenal.
As usual your argument seems to boil down to “just sign good players duh”.
Tbf Sheaf was brought in on loan based on his performances for Doncaster in league. He had to perform and hit certain criteria including appearances in the championship with us to get signed permanentlySheaf was signed on his performances for Doncaster in League 1.
I don’t think the one minute he got for Arsenal in the Europa League was behind it.
How often do all 3 promoted League 1 teams go straight back down? 2 of them sit above us right now and last season Ipswich went all the way through the league with most of the team they were promoted with. It's a nonsense statement.
As usual your argument seems to boil down to “just sign good players duh”.
You mean Arsenal U21s/reserves where 95-99% don’t have careers at that levelNo it’s not, we bought Sheaf from Arsenal, that’s not the same as buying a player like Kitching who was purchased by Leeds, loaned out and then released by Leeds to then find his way to Forest Green Rovers, then Barnsley, then us.
You mean Arsenal U21s/reserves where 95-99% don’t have careers at that level
The transfer market has inflated values across the EFL - we wouldn’t have got the money we did for Hamer or Vik had been a few years prior.Yeah I’m sure there are but I’d rather us not be wasting £4-5 mil on L1 players, the step up to being a quality player at championship level just seems too much for most L1 players, particularly when we’re paying the sort of money we are for these players. Risking £1-2 mil on a L1 player is fine but £4-5 mil just seems a waste to me.
So Ben Sheaf?
Sheaf wasn’t good enough to stay at Arsenal.
As usual your argument seems to boil down to “just sign good players duh”.
Come from a Prem club? Again you mean the reserves, very different things. What level in the pyramid would you place a PL U21 team at?Yes Sheaf isn’t, or wasn’t, good enough for Arsenal but what I’m saying is that signing players that have been passed around championship/L1 teams that have initially come from a prem club is worse than just signing them from directly prem club purely because of the fact you know they can’t be that good if they’ve been playing for Forest Green Rovers (not on loan).
Never sure why people pretend not to get fairly basic arguments on here. Obvious a young player that gets picked up by a PL club has shown more promise than one who hasn’t and obviously going straight from Champ/L1 loans to a Champ club is different from being released and picked up in L2 or NL. This isn’t even controversial, I swear half this forum just plays dumb.
Yes, but its not as simple as that. Someone who has been a pampered Academy player at a PL club, who then gets released downwards doesn't necessarily have the same motivation as a player from the lower leagues that has been released at a younger age. Given League 1 and League 2 teams regularly turn over the PL U21 teams in the EFL Trophy this also suggests many of those players are not automatically going to make it as good Championship players either. I notice someone mentioned Charlie Wakefield earlier, but over the years we have signed a lot of duds on loan from top PL clubs also. Ben Sheaf is the exception rather than the rule, and it was his year at League 1 Doncaster that made him a worthwhile signing, not his years in Arsenal's academy.
Come from a Prem club? Again you mean the reserves, very different things. What level in the pyramid would you place a PL U21 team at?
The chances are someone playing regularly in League 1 is already having a better career than 95%+ players playing in Prem academies will ever have.Sure sure exceptions exist. But they’re exceptions for a reason.
Never sure why people pretend not to get fairly basic arguments on here. Obvious a young player that gets picked up by a PL club has shown more promise than one who hasn’t and obviously going straight from Champ/L1 loans to a Champ club is different from being released and picked up in L2 or NL. This isn’t even controversial, I swear half this forum just plays dumb.
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