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robbiethemole · Sep 29, 2015

So, Leon Clarke has spoken about leaving the City and has said he would have stayed for a bit more money and a longer contract.

He said he was forced into submitting a transfer request or he wouldn't get to Wolves. sounds like he isnt worried about blaming Waggott and co for the situation, and it probably confirms that SISU engineered the move and wont invest in the club. Maybe more ex-players will start to reveal how they were treated?

btw, if you have a spare £35m, Wolves are STILL up for sale

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 29, 2015

He wasn't forced at all, they told him they weren't accepting the bid from Wolves so he put in a transfer request. Seems pretty straightforward.

And he had 18 months left on his contract and was already one of the highest earners at the club, he had no right to expect a new, better deal at that point.

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

Don't most clubs make the player submit a transfer request if they want to move?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 29, 2015

Nick said:
Don't most clubs make the player submit a transfer request if they want to move?

No Clarke was forced, he really didn't want to leave despite him saying he did want to leave in the article.

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

CCFC said:
No Clarke was forced, he really didn't want to leave despite him saying he did want to leave in the article.

Not too sure what the OP is about then?

Doesn't the player handing in a transfer request usually mean they aren't entitled to certain payments etc?

I'm not too sure of the point it is trying to make? He wanted to leave, so he had to hand in a transfer a request. A request to be transferred.

Liquid Gold · Sep 29, 2015

Also didn't he refuse to play in a game (Orient away if my memory serves) if he wanted to stay why would he refuse to play

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

Liquid Gold said:
Also didn't he refuse to play in a game (Orient away if my memory serves) if he wanted to stay why would he refuse to play

Seems like it:

Pressley criticised Clarke for “letting his team-mates down” when refusing to play in a 2-0 defeat at Leyton Orient, citing a foot injury sustained in their 4-0 FA Cup defeat away to Arsenal.

What beans are to be spilled then?

RFC · Sep 29, 2015

CCFC said:
He wasn't forced at all, they told him they weren't accepting the bid from Wolves so he put in a transfer request. Seems pretty straightforward.

And he had 18 months left on his contract and was already one of the highest earners at the club, he had no right to expect a new, better deal at that point.

Pleased you put TOP right, engineered move greed and how many games & goals did he score for them? Also a disruptive influence in the dressing room, allegedly!

chiefdave · Sep 29, 2015

Why we he get a payrise when he had 18 months left on his current deal? Doesn't make sense to me. More likely he knew Wolves were interested and wanted to go there, hence putting in a transfer request and refusing to play.

If he didn't want to go and the club wanted to sell him he wouldn't have put in the transfer request, he would have got more money that way.

Juggernaut · Sep 29, 2015

At the time the fans hated Sisu.

Clarke was probably told by Sisu to hand in a transfer request to make out to the fans he was forcing a move when in fact he wasn't. Both parties then get what they want (Sisu the money and Clarke the move) and it doesn't look as if Sisu just sold our best player. Pretty simple to understand.

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

Juggernaut said:
At the time the fans hated Sisu.

Clarke was probably told by Sisu to hand in a transfer request to make out to the fans he was forcing a move when in fact he wasn't. Both parties then get what they want (Sisu the money and Clarke the move) and it doesn't look as if Sisu just sold our best player. Pretty simple to understand.

Why would he say in that article he wanted a move then?

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

chiefdave said:
If he didn't want to go and the club wanted to sell him he wouldn't have put in the transfer request, he would have got more money that way.

Exactly, thats why when players are trying to get a move the club tells them to put in a transfer request so they dont get a % of the fee.

higgs · Sep 29, 2015

PR job get a high earner off the payroll and pocket the transfer fee cash and make player look like the bad guy by putting in a transfer request

Juggernaut · Sep 29, 2015

Nick said:
Why would he say in that article he wanted a move then?

Because he did want a move? (Hence why he left).

Basically Sisu told him to hand in a transfer request so it seemed to the fans that Sisu had no option but to sell him, they made Clarke the bad guy instead of themselves.

No one blamed Sisu at the time for Clarke leaving did they? Everyone hated Clarke, it deflected the attention away from Sisu.

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

higgs said:
PR job get a high earner off the payroll and pocket the transfer fee cash and make player look like the bad guy by putting in a transfer request

But he says in the article that the club said to him if he wants the move then he has to put in a transfer request?

I am not sure what other people are reading.

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

Juggernaut said:
Because he did want a move? (Hence why he left).

Basically Sisu told him to hand in a transfer request so it seemed to the fans that Sisu had no option but to sell him, they made Clarke the bad guy instead of themselves.

No one blamed Sisu at the time for Clarke leaving did they? Everyone hated Clarke, it deflected the attention away from Sisu.

So why do lots of other clubs tell players if they want the move they hand in a request? Pretty sure it is down to things in the contract and not having to give Clarke a % of the fee and other payouts he would get if he was sold against his will.

fernandopartridge · Sep 29, 2015

There are some incredibly thick cunts on here.

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

Hand in a transfer request

Officially, this is the “proper” way to conduct yourself if you cannot resolve your differences with your current club. But don’t be fooled – this isn’t Football Manager – this should be a last resort because if you do indeed hand in a written transfer request, you can wave goodbye to that lucrative loyalty bonus you would otherwise receive, which can sometimes count for up to 20% of a contract. Also bear in mind that this request is just that, you are asking the club to place you on the transfer list, which they are perfectly entitled to reject. However, it can arguably best be used as leverage to garner interest from rival clubs and panic your current club into giving you a whopping new contract.

Lots of clubs do it, so they don't have to pay out on the player when he is trying to get a move.

Clarke says himself:

It was kind of a difficult situation then and I was told that if I didn’t put a transfer request in then they weren’t going to accept a bid from Wolves, so I did that because it was the only way the club were going to accept a bid.
”There was also the lure of his home town club, of course, which must have been a significant factor along with the fact that Wolves were flying in League One and looking good for promotion back to the Championship, as well as being able to offer higher wages.

He wanted the move, he wanted more money. If he hadn't handed in a transfer fee we would have to have paid him out. Lots of clubs do it.

chiefdave · Sep 29, 2015

Look at what he has actually said:

"I was told that if I didn’t put a transfer request in then they weren’t going to accept a bid from Wolves, so I did that because it was the only way the club were going to accept a bid"

He wanted the transfer so he put the request in. If he wanted to stay he could have just not put a request in and as he says himself the club wouldn't have accepted Wolves bid.

Grendel · Sep 29, 2015

Given the unswerving loyalty and total dedication to the cause for every club Clarke has played for I'm sure he was forced to leave.

Wanting to leave would be totally against Leon's character based in his history previously.

higgs · Sep 29, 2015

It would have been better to give him a small increase for us supporters and he bang in 30 goals for us but better for owners to sell him and pocket cash rather than reinvest in playing squad

wingy · Sep 29, 2015

We'll It certainly cost the club and Pressley In particular any forward momentum.
Was he replaced?No.
Sure we had a handful of unproductive loans and an admission from SP that Play offs/promotion was off the agenda,quite a demotivating remark.
There must be an element of relief that he left from JS as otherwise she would had to find another £1M to Inject as equity to add to the other money she had to Inject to satisfy FFP.

stupot07 · Sep 29, 2015

CCFC said:
He wasn't forced at all, they told him they weren't accepting the bid from Wolves so he put in a transfer request. Seems pretty straightforward.

And he had 18 months left on his contract and was already one of the highest earners at the club, he had no right to expect a new, better deal at that point.

Bang on, and if he didn't put in the transfer request he would have been entitled to a 'loyalty' bonus.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors

Grendel · Sep 29, 2015

higgs said:
It would have been better to give him a small increase for us supporters and he bang in 30 goals for us but better for owners to sell him and pocket cash rather than reinvest in playing squad

Are you a stand up comedian? Is this part of your routine?

Seriously.

covmark · Sep 29, 2015

fernandopartridge said:
There are some incredibly thick cunts on here.

This.
I mean come on, people really think Sisu forced Clarke to hand in a transfer request.
You can always rely on skybluestalk to throw up absurd conspiracy theories.

skybluetony176 · Sep 29, 2015

Seems the club did the right thing by making him put in a transfer request. Good move.

The story is of course that it couldn't be reinvested in the team as it had to contribute to the self imposed losses off the Sixfields debacle so SISU's investors could get a discount on covering those self imposed losses.

letsallsingtogether · Sep 29, 2015

covmark said:
This.
I mean come on, people really think Sisu forced Clarke to hand in a transfer request.
You can always rely on skybluestalk to throw up absurd conspiracy theories.

Not what people think.
It is what Clarke himself has said.
He has to be wrong as City would not ever sell any of their better players.
After all they are bankrolling the club and don't need the money.

Grendel · Sep 29, 2015

letsallsingtogether said:
Not what people think.
It is what Clarke himself has said.
He has to be wrong as City would not ever sell any of their better players.
After all they are bankrolling the club and don't need the money.

How many times has Clarke decided he wanted to leave a football club?

Grendel · Sep 29, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Seems the club did the right thing by making him put in a transfer request. Good move.

The story is of course that it couldn't be reinvested in the team as it had to contribute to the self imposed losses off the Sixfields debacle so SISU's investors could get a discount on covering those self imposed losses.

Didn't get sign the forward from Villa that season?

Sick Boy · Sep 29, 2015

fernandopartridge said:
There are some incredibly thick cunts on here.

I still can't believe they actually think that SISU pocket millions out of the club.

skybluetony176 · Sep 29, 2015

Grendel said:
Didn't get sign the forward from Villa that season?

Again. In English please.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 29, 2015

letsallsingtogether said:
It is what Clarke himself has said.

No, its not what he has said. People have spun and interpreted what he said to suit their own point of view.

Nick · Sep 29, 2015

letsallsingtogether said:
Not what people think.
It is what Clarke himself has said.
He has to be wrong as City would not ever sell any of their better players.
After all they are bankrolling the club and don't need the money.

What has he said? Apart from the fact he wanted to move, he wanted more money and his hometown club? The club said if you want to go you hand in a transfer request.

Read what he actually says.

bringbackrattles · Sep 29, 2015

Come on now who gives a monkeys about him anyway ? He's a journeyman and doesn't stay long anywhere. He got a couple of goals against us but he's had so many clubs he'll score against many of his old teams. Good riddance !

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 29, 2015

Nick said:
What has he said? Apart from the fact he wanted to move, he wanted more money and his hometown club? The club said if you want to go you hand in a transfer request.

Read what he actually says.

Quite ludicrous really, he only put in a request because the club refused to sell him to begin with and somehow that translates into SISU engineered his move

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