Standing up at away games (4 Viewers)

shmmeee · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
You said they can’t get there early to get a seat? The official coaches always arrive well before kick off and most of the time at least an hour before kick off. The coach I get is always there for half 2. Not sure why this wouldn’t be early enough to secure a seat.

Yes the majority want to stand and do so. The majority also stand where they like. That’s the rules of going away across the country.

So ‘dude’ what’s your plan to get this changed? There’s no appetite for it but I’m interested to hear your plans.

I think the only thing you can do is some kind of awareness campaign among the fans. I joke about someone with a megaphone but it might work. Maybe write to the club and ask them to mention it. The official answer will likely be “everyone should be sat down anyway” so it’d have to be ground up.

Sadly I think many wouldn’t respond well, they have your attitude of “if you can’t stand don’t come”. I just don’t think first come first served is the most accessible model. Equally I think Petes “no one should stand” is equally silly. It shouldn’t be beyond the wit of man to sort out.

When I didn’t have a bad back and could stand all game I loved it and it definitely added to the atmosphere.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

PurpleBin said:
How are you quantifying this statement? The majority? What rules are there for "going away" ?

Do you mean you and your mates prefer to stand?

Given that across the country, away fans stand, I would suggest that quantifies a majority

pusbccfc · Jan 9, 2020

PurpleBin said:
How are you quantifying this statement? The majority? What rules are there for "going away" ?

Do you mean you and your mates prefer to stand?

It is the majority. You only have to look at every away end in the country.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

shmmeee said:
I think the only thing you can do is some kind of awareness campaign among the fans. I joke about someone with a megaphone but it might work. Maybe write to the club and ask them to mention it. The official answer will likely be “everyone should be sat down anyway” so it’d have to be ground up.

Sadly I think many wouldn’t respond well, they have your attitude of “if you can’t stand don’t come”. I just don’t think first come first served is the most accessible model. Equally I think Petes “no one should stand” is equally silly. It shouldn’t be beyond the wit of man to sort out.

When I didn’t have a bad back and could stand all game I loved it and it definitely added to the atmosphere.

Yeah fair enough.

My stance isn’t ‘if you don’t want to stand don’t come’ by the way

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Jan 9, 2020

When I first went to Highfield Road as a kid, couldn't see over the wall, so my dad took a small crate for me to stand on .

Wouldn't happen to day.

Liquid Gold · Jan 9, 2020

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
When I first went to Highfield Road as a kid, couldn't see over the wall, so my dad took a small crate for me to stand on .

Wouldn't happen to day.

Can you express that with a gif?

PurpleBin · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Given that across the country, away fans stand, I would suggest that quantifies a majority

I'm not arsed either way I just wondered how you quantify it.

Yes, everyone stands. Does that mean everyone 'wants' to stand or does it mean they 'have' to stand..that's the point I'm getting at.

PurpleBin · Jan 9, 2020

pusbccfc said:
It is the majority. You only have to look at every away end in the country.

See last post...want to or have to?

shmmeee · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Yeah fair enough.

My stance isn’t ‘if you don’t want to stand don’t come’ by the way

Fair enough. Hyperbole for effect now withdrawn.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

PurpleBin said:
See last post...want to or have to?

Want to

pusbccfc · Jan 9, 2020

PurpleBin said:
See last post...want to or have to?

Definitely want to.

The demographic at away games is a lot different to home games. It's a culture.

rob9872 · Jan 9, 2020

pusbccfc said:
Definitely want to.

The demographic at away games is a lot different to home games. It's a culture.

Agree...and I'm guilty of being part of that culture, but it shouldn't be at the expense of those who want to attend but can't or don't want to stand either and I now have first hand experience of that being the case.

Malaka · Jan 9, 2020

There are a pair of twats that do it at St Andrews too. They think because they are on the back row of the bottom tier, it doesn't affect anyone.They block my view

Brylowes · Jan 9, 2020

rob9872 said:
That really would boil my piss and I'd have told them where to go. My daughter regularly stood on seats at my instruction for similar reasons. She's 12 now and can see at most, but wouldn't hesitate to tell her to stand on them if required. Cheeky tw@ telling you to get there earlier.

I do get why they have safety concerns about kids standing on seats, took my lad ‘to the FA cup replay in 2009
V Blackburn, he was 8 y/o at the time and couldn’t see as we were sitting near the back of the North stand.
Anyway he stood on the seat and all was well until we scored the winner, in the resulting euphoria his seat
Folded and he fell cracking his head open the poor little bugger had to wait nearly 40 minutes until full time
When I eventually got the chance to go and get him sorted out ‘:emoji_head_bandage:

Irish Sky Blue · Jan 9, 2020

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I may be wrong with this, but I would assume that 80% of ticket sales are done online? (working in Digital Advertising I may be overestimating this). I know the club aren't going to want to be seen to 'promote' standing at away games as technically we all shouldn't but if we're being realistic we know it is going to happen. Could you not have it that attached to your account (log in ID) there is a preference to sit (therefore be allocated seats from the front back) or stand (allocated seats from back forward). Then a simple tick box if you want this changed eg you are not bringing the kids to a game, or you are bringing your elderly parent etc?

That sounds a good idea.

pusbccfc · Jan 10, 2020

Malaka said:
There are a pair of twats that do it at St Andrews too. They think because they are on the back row of the bottom tier, it doesn't affect anyone.They block my view

Which block?

letsallsingtogether · Jan 10, 2020

Malaka said:
There are a pair of twats that do it at St Andrews too. They think because they are on the back row of the bottom tier, it doesn't affect anyone.They block my view

I would tell them to sit down or move elsewhere.
Wouldn't be the first time used to get it at the Ricoh from time to time.

pastythegreat · Jan 10, 2020

ccfcway said:
it’s not just our club and it’s not just football. Was dragged to see Lewis capaldi last year. Everyone was standing and i sat, couldn’t see shit all

That's a good thing though.... right??

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oakey · Jan 10, 2020

Everyone does not want to stand. It is a practice that we collectively accept. It excludes people that are physically small or weak. Usually people realise such practices are discriminatory and accept attempts to change said practice to become more inclusive. It would be great if we could collectively make it happen but football fan culture is slow to change. I know an elderly lady who had a season ticket for many years but missed both Wembley trips recently as she knew she would see very little. Travelling to away games can already be quite arduous for our smaller, weaker members. We would not accept disabled fans from being prevented from supporting the team so we should not accept this discrimination either. I think we should embrace change.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee · Jan 11, 2020

oakey said:
Everyone does not want to stand. It is a practice that we collectively accept. It excludes people that are physically small or weak. Usually people realise such practices are discriminatory and accept attempts to change said practice to become more inclusive. It would be great if we could collectively make it happen but football fan culture is slow to change. I know an elderly lady who had a season ticket for many years but missed both Wembley trips recently as she knew she would see very little. Travelling to away games can already be quite arduous for our smaller, weaker members. We would not accept disabled fans from being prevented from supporting the team so we should not accept this discrimination either. I think we should embrace change.

If we’re going down the discriminatory route, I’d also like to point there are at least four grounds I’ve been to: Cheltenham, Luton, Crewe, Port Vale where as a 6”5 bloke I physically can’t sit down because the seats are closer together than the length of my thigh. Something needs to be done for those that want to sit for sure but some people want to stand & some, like me, can’t sit even if we wanted to

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ccfcway · Jan 11, 2020

oakey said:
Everyone does not want to stand. It is a practice that we collectively accept. It excludes people that are physically small or weak. Usually people realise such practices are discriminatory and accept attempts to change said practice to become more inclusive. It would be great if we could collectively make it happen but football fan culture is slow to change. I know an elderly lady who had a season ticket for many years but missed both Wembley trips recently as she knew she would see very little. Travelling to away games can already be quite arduous for our smaller, weaker members. We would not accept disabled fans from being prevented from supporting the team so we should not accept this discrimination either. I think we should embrace change.

That’s sad . Don’t quite understand it as both games were I was sitting we were sat for pretty much all of it. Added to corporate, lower tiered seats etc, real shame she missed those games . Agree, change needs to happen. The sooner safe standing is bought in the better

Malaka · Jan 12, 2020

pusbccfc said:
Which block?

I don't know, I it's the block before the half way line nearest the away supporters

letsallsingtogether · Jan 12, 2020

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
When I first went to Highfield Road as a kid, couldn't see over the wall, so my dad took a small crate for me to stand on .

Wouldn't happen to day.

Grendel still does that now.

Covstu · Jan 13, 2020

Back at the ricoh our seats were near the back rows as we like to stand, likewise for away games albeit you generally see the people who try and attempt to sink 4 pints in 10 minutes arrive late and stand nearer the front. I think if seating plans work then you could select a seat at the front where you can sit but we know they are ignored and how many people fancy a row with 6 lads who have been on the white and downed 10 pints

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jan 13, 2020

ccfcway said:
it’s not just our club and it’s not just football. Was dragged to see Lewis capaldi last year. Everyone was standing and i sat, couldn’t see shit all

So it worked out pretty well for you!

Anyway, as long as you can hear a music gig like that no-one should care. Not like Lewis Capaldi is renowned for costume changes and choreographed dance routines!

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jan 13, 2020

pusbccfc said:
Atmosphere is much better standing up. You can't celebrate properly sitting down..

What matches are you going to which require celebrating the entire 90 mins!

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jan 13, 2020

On the whole I find the atmosphere more lively standing, but it does need self control.

Although this thread is about away games specifically on the whole safe standing would help as you can have designated standing areas whereby if you stand in a designated seating area you will be asked to move or be ejected. Similarly if you choose to sit in a standing area you can't complain.

One thing which hasn't been touched on though is that legally you aren't allowed to stand at all due to 'safety' and if you do and are told to sit down but refuse/reoffend you should be ejected. this would be silly and draconian but it is the rules.

But with this maybe a way to circumvent these rules would be a 'code', like 'singing section' when choosing a ticket which would actually mean standing and stewards would be told to be lenient in these areas.

pusbccfc · Jan 25, 2020

Made a significant difference today having the whole ground stand up.

It was great. No reason it couldn't be like that if we went back to the Ricoh.

Nick · Jan 25, 2020

pusbccfc said:
Made a significant difference today having the whole ground stand up.

It was great. No reason it couldn't be like that if we went back to the Ricoh.

Why did it? The only benefit was meaning I didn't need to keep standing up and siting down so people can go and snort coke every 5 minutes.

pusbccfc · Jan 25, 2020

Nick said:
Why did it? The only benefit was meaning I didn't need to keep standing up and siting down so people can go and snort coke every 5 minutes.

The whole stand got involved in the atmosphere. It felt like a proper game for once.

Nick · Jan 25, 2020

pusbccfc said:
The whole stand got involved in the atmosphere. It felt like a proper game for once.

Kids and old people getting crushed in the concourse as well. Banging.

pusbccfc · Jan 25, 2020

Nick said:
Kids and old people getting crushed in the concourse as well. Banging.

What's that got to do with standing the stands?

The facilities at St Andrews are awful. Hopefully people recognised that today.

Nick · Jan 25, 2020

pusbccfc said:
What's that got to do with standing the stands?

The facilities at St Andrews are awful. Hopefully people recognised that today.

Because even standing people were getting crushed and couldn't see the game.

pusbccfc · Jan 25, 2020

Nick said:
Because even standing people were getting crushed and couldn't see the game.

As mentioned early in this thread. Should be a section for those who stand and those who want to sit.

Made such a difference today people standing up. Felt like a proper atmosphere.

Magwitch · Jan 25, 2020

It’s okay if you are six foot plus any smaller and it’s difficult to see if people are standing, kids have no chance. In the old terrace days when it was mainly standing you could move around and find a spot to suit but nowadays you can’t you have your seat and that’s it and if the guy in front is 6 foot odd tough.

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