Also you claim you don't want sisu, but surely by abandoning any criticism of sisu is guaranteeing they stay is it not? And as such how can you then possibly ever campaign to get rid of sisu in the future if you accept and endorse what they have done to the club up to now by no longer protesting at their actions!
You seem to be forgetting the trust claims to be a fans organisation, NOT a mediation service! As such, fans have every right to be partisan, emotive, and should stand up for what they believe. If not, then quite frankly what is the point? There are a ton of organisations that can effectively mediate, but only a handful that claim to have the interest of the fans!
It is downright wrong for a fans group to do the political BS. Leave that to those who lie for a living. Fans should be fans not political animals, or feeding misleading stories to the press all the time!
They should act according to the 'Aims & Objectives'. If members want the 'A&O' changed they should call for a vote.
The problem as I see it is that the Trust for a long period didn't act according to the 'A&O', but moved in different directions.
Going back to diplomacy is going back to the 'A&O'.
Look up the Aims & Objectives on the Trust' homepage. They are NOT a sisu-out campaign.
The members voted to avoid having anything more to do with sisu! The members have spoken! By ignoring this vote they have undermined their whole raison d'etre!
The members voted to avoid having anything more to do with sisu! The members have spoken! By ignoring this vote they have undermined their whole raison d'etre!
Only one side has ever been positive with the Trust and unfortunately it's never been the ones who actually should be on the fans side.
This isn't a misleading statement, as far as I can tell its designed to point out what most people knew all along: that Seppala has no intention of meeting anyone or sorting anything out.
She's the only one who refuses to meet whether it's the council the trust or ACL.
Yet some two bit MEP who promises to help undermine ACL financially gets an immediate meeting.
The members voted to avoid having anything more to do with sisu! The members have spoken! By ignoring this vote they have undermined their whole raison d'etre!
Wasn't that vote before the outcome of the admin process? Can't see the validity of a ccfc supporters trust refusing to have anything more to do with the ccfc owners.
Your right. .
You are correct, however at the open meeting a few weeks ago it was obvious that this is no longer the view of everyone.
If there is no communication at all how do we try and bring the groups together.?
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Many members are intelligent enough to see the benefit of a stance that does not alienate the owners. Those intelligent enough to see this include myself.
Many members are intelligent enough to see the benefit of a stance that does not alienate the owners. Those intelligent enough to see this include myself.
But unfortunately Grendel you are not intelligent enough to see SISU are driving us down a road to their own means and it is them that are the alienating fans.Many members are intelligent enough to see the benefit of a stance that does not alienate the owners. Those intelligent enough to see this include myself.
Just curious, but why do you believe a full house or large crowd against the blades will do anything other than bolster Sisu's argument that the fans will eventually flock back (I know he said after 3 games, but sisu are past masters at trying to spin any event).
Also lets face it a televised league 1 game is not going to attract the kinds of audiences any prem league game would attract. More than likely it will attract those supporters from both sides and avid footie addicts, but it isn't really going to go to anyone who hasn't made their mind up already!
As has been shown be the complete indifference by sisu to the protest, they couldn't give a monkeys about protests - they care about money pure and simple. Have any of the in stadium protests ever worked against city? Has anything at all had an effect except hitting them in the pocket? It is just plain naive to expect sisu to get around the table unless they expect to gewt pretty much everything they want.
The one exception was when the FA forced themto the tables by threatening removal of academy funds! No other evidence is needed to show the only course of action. It may mean the trust will never be able to call themselves mediators - but is that a bad thing? Surely being a fan automatically makes you biased! It is dead easy to say give things away when it doesn't cost you any money! Wonder how many would be calling to give the ricoh to sisu for free if it meant their council tax went up!
I've been on holiday for 2 weeks so forgive me if I'm missing something but how is filling sixfields and giving them money for a game a protest? maybe next we should go and weed Fishers garden and wash and wax his car for him, that'll show him.
You think the withholding of funds isn't a protest - really ??Not spending any money isn't really a protest though either is it?
I've been on holiday for 2 weeks so forgive me if I'm missing something but how is filling sixfields and giving them money for a game a protest? maybe next we should go and weed Fishers garden and wash and wax his car for him, that'll show him.
Not spending any money isn't really a protest though either is it?
It's just being lazy and a bit tight.
I could say that I'm actively protesting against the Israeli occupation of the West Bank by not buying Israeli Grapefruit.
I'm not though, I just don't like Grapefruit.
Not spending any money isn't really a protest though either is it?
It's just being lazy and a bit tight.
I could say that I'm actively protesting against the Israeli occupation of the West Bank by not buying Israeli Grapefruit.
I'm not though, I just don't like Grapefruit.
. but next time the israeli army start firing misiles on the worlds biggest ghetto's and most over populated pieces of land in the world i can at least rest in the knowledge that my money hasn't helped paid for their crusade.
You think the withholding of funds isn't a protest - really ??
Filling Sixfields as a one of when Sheffield United play is fine by me and a perfect protest imo. Only a fool would think it is the start of a fans come back. Did I say fool ? meant to say Fisher I get him and fool mixed up.
To many are using the "loyal fans" card, others are doing sweet feck all, and a few are doing what they feel is right.
Fucking hell, you don't have the monopoly in 'doing what you feel is right' you know.
Haven't had chance to read this whole thread, does it say anywhere who the trust spoke to from ACL?
Not spending any money isn't really a protest though either is it?
It's just being lazy and a bit tight.
I could say that I'm actively protesting against the Israeli occupation of the West Bank by not buying Israeli Grapefruit.
I'm not though, I just don't like Grapefruit.
Haven't had chance to read this whole thread, does it say anywhere who the trust spoke to from ACL?
Come come, you can do better than that in the analogy stakes-you know it, I know it, everyone knows it!
If you'd been buying Israeli grapefruit by the truck load every year for the past 30 years but then stopped buying it, your analogy would be better. But it wouldn't make your point then. It'd be more fitting for the scenario of those supporters who are observing NOPM, though
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