No its not the players that play against a non league player are non league ie the same standard, the players playing against us unless its a cup game are league 2 and whats that got to do with someone who cant kick cant catch and cant make reliable decisions on a regular basis but is a professional...take your rose glasses off the world is different to what you're seeingBecause you are comparing two completely different standards of football. It's like saying if someone can score 40 at Sunday league level why can't any of our players
You highlight the mistake against Grimsby but I can’t remember other mistakes that have lead to the opposition having goalscoring chances. I have missed only the Lincoln and Morecambe away games this season and cannot think of any other disasterous mistakes he has made.3-4 mistakes that directly led to goals, he has made many more which haven't and that is only down to shit opposition. However I didn't say the error was not to sign a GK, I said the error was signing O'Brien as a replacement for RCC. This isn't like Rob Green letting through that one against the USA, this is persistent mad dashes out of goal and gifts of possession that create more work for him in the end.
I ask again-am I expecting too much?
The only stat its fair to judge a GK on is goals conceded, here they are, minutes per goal conceded:
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Ignoring the top 2 as they have only played 3 games, Burge is only second to Lincoln keeper who still has only played half the amount of games.
As i've already said, Burge is not the reason for failure if this season doesnt end up in promotion and is a perfectly good keeper at this level (which may be cr*p but hey that's where we are!)
I'm not saying he will be good enough in League 1 but this season all in all he has been.
So in that basis is Nick pope the best goalkeeper in England?
But name a player that doesn't get highlighted.
If you have the time try reading through a thread or two which are about the games. The most common mistakes are from Burge. And yes you will see excellent saves. But then consider how well the opponents GK frequently do against us.
Burge isn't shit. But he should have worked out when to come out or stay by now. He should have learned how to catch a ball by now. And as for his kicking.....
If that's all you somehow take from that post you carry on mate...So in that basis is Nick pope the best goalkeeper in England?
1) He didn’t say that
2) Pope isn’t top of the PL list
Surely a better metric of a goalkeeper is percentage of clear chances saved.
Arguably the best manager in the world says a keepers delivery is what makes them stand out, what would he make of Burge.
If we don't go up this year, which is what I assume you mean by never achieve, honestly, will you blame Burge?Fans can't complain about never achieving anything and then blindly defending a player not up to it.
Yes if we had a better keeper we would have let in no goals at all and would have won the league already.If we don't go up this year, which is what I assume you mean by never achieve, honestly, will you blame Burge?
Or would you blame the fact we've been shit at scoring all season and losing to teams at bottom of the league?
If it's all of the above don't you think it's harsh how much stick Burge alone is getting?
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Close the thread I'm wrong, no argument against this one lol!Yes if we had a better keeper we would have let in no goals at all and would have won the league already.
So next season let' just spend every penny we have on a keeper That way we are guaranteed promotion.
No no no! You can't slag him off on here-people will get upset.I hope we all support Burge tomorrow.
The place to slag him off is on here after the match (megathread)
If we don't go up this year, which is what I assume you mean by never achieve, honestly, will you blame Burge?
Or would you blame the fact we've been shit at scoring all season and losing to teams at bottom of the league?
If it's all of the above don't you think it's harsh how much stick Burge alone is getting?
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Might be Obrien.I hope we all support Burge tomorrow.
The place to slag him off is on here after the match (megathread)
OK to be clear, I mean 'experienced'. Away from semantics, no, I said replacing RCC with another inexperienced head in O'Brien was a recruitment error as he's no improvement on what we already had. Old heads in goal are 10 a penny at this level and wouldn't make half as many errors in judgment. Yes in L2 Burge has gotten away with it and the stats are on his side, but performances I think are not. And let's suppose performances were good, there is still nothing wrong with wanting our better performers to push themselves further. Perhaps I am asking too much of a L2 keeper, but that's because he's spent most of his career at a higher level.
One way ticket? I'll have a whip round for funds at the next home match!Certain people think he should be going to Russia this summer...
One of the funniest posts ever (maybe on this thread) was claiming the Wycombe goalie could do nothing about Doyle's goal. Burge would love this kind of support.You’re being very blaisé about his achievements. He’s managed to convince most managers in L2 that he is the best GK in the division. He’s made mistakes, but so have other GKs, no one here, can realistically scope what he’s up against. The actual football people, who do have a realistic scope of what the other GKs are like, voted him well. That includes, probably the most ‘senior’ GK in the league, Forde, who, incidentally happened to attract some of his vitriol from Cambridge.
This argument that people have put forward about keepers’ seemingly always having ‘blinders’ against us and never making mistakes, I present the following:
Luton (H): Stech palmed a shot straight to Vincenti, conceded a weak FK at his post
Wycombe (H): GK concedes from a Doyle tackle from 40 yards, McNulty’s goal was a bit soft too
Swindon (A): RCC, Doyle’s goal went inbetween his legs
Grimsby (A): mainly Clarke’s fault, but GK shouldve been alert
General dodginess:
Cambridge (H) — Forde nearly having the ball nicked off him by McNulty
Luton (A) — McNulty nearly robbing Stech
There’s possibly a few more, that’s all I can recall off the top of my head. Other GKs make howler’s too, people forget that.
I think Burge’s reflexes and shot stopping probably is the best in the division and a good shot stopper for L1. Indeed he needs to work on areas in this game. But if he was the real deal, he wouldn’t be playing in L2, would he?
Therefore, if you want a ‘very good shot stopper’ (to quite you), and a very good distributor and on top of that, and a very good, physical handler at set-pieces and crosses. You’re describing a GK who shouldn’t be anyway near L2 — a GK that fits that criteria is a Championship to Premiership GK.
I don’t think Burge will ever change some people’s minds, fair enough, but he’s got voted GK of year. Has the highest minutes per goal, the highest % of clean sheets, the lowest amount of goals conceded per game.
One of the funniest posts ever (maybe on this thread) was claiming the Wycombe goalie could do nothing about Doyle's goal. Burge would love this kind of support.
Jesus if you spent that long defending him I don’t think anyone’s going to change your mind!You’re being very blaisé about his achievements. He’s managed to convince most managers in L2 that he is the best GK in the division. He’s made mistakes, but so have other GKs, no one here, can realistically scope what he’s up against. The actual football people, who do have a realistic scope of what the other GKs are like, voted him well. That includes, probably the most ‘senior’ GK in the league, Forde, who, incidentally happened to attract some of his vitriol from Cambridge.
This argument that people have put forward about keepers’ seemingly always having ‘blinders’ against us and never making mistakes, I present the following:
Luton (H): Stech palmed a shot straight to Vincenti, conceded a weak FK at his post
Wycombe (H): GK concedes from a Doyle tackle from 40 yards, McNulty’s goal was a bit soft too
Swindon (A): RCC, Doyle’s goal went inbetween his legs
Grimsby (A): mainly Clarke’s fault, but GK shouldve been alert
General dodginess:
Cambridge (H) — Forde nearly having the ball nicked off him by McNulty
Luton (A) — McNulty nearly robbing Stech
There’s possibly a few more, that’s all I can recall off the top of my head. Other GKs make howler’s too, people forget that.
I think Burge’s reflexes and shot stopping probably is the best in the division and a good shot stopper for L1. Indeed he needs to work on areas in this game. But if he was the real deal, he wouldn’t be playing in L2, would he?
Therefore, if you want a ‘very good shot stopper’ (to quite you), and a very good distributor and on top of that, and a very good, physical handler at set-pieces and crosses. You’re describing a GK who shouldn’t be anyway near L2 — a GK that fits that criteria is a Championship to Premiership GK.
I don’t think Burge will ever change some people’s minds, fair enough, but he’s got voted GK of year. Has the highest minutes per goal, the highest % of clean sheets, the lowest amount of goals conceded per game.
Jesus if you spent that long defending him I don’t think anyone’s going to change your mind!
Well I don’t rate him but I can’t be bothered to argue about it to be honest. It’s been done enough over the last few days.The stats speak for themselves. His positives outweigh his negatives. The consensus is that he's a v good shot stopper but makes needless mistakes. All GKs do, even De Gea looked a fool when he first came to Man U. Even Westwood wasn't the complete package, and he's the best GK to play for us for about 15yrs, his kicking was far from perfect and he wasn't the best at claiming crosses, ultimately, probably the reason he never cut it in the Premier League.
We can isolate as many stupid mistakes as much as we want. I came across this video of Sheffield Wednesday's 'lowlights' of last season -- some absolute howlers by the best GK I've seen play for us, Westwood (possibly my fav Cov player too). 2 clearing kicks that deflected into the goal and a couple of silly pens to give away. Clearly he's not a bad GK -- he's still a fantastic shot stopper!
How old was Kirkland when he was sold to Liverpool or Westwood in the first team at Coventry? Can't use age as an excuse, if you're goid enough you are old enough. How old is Bayliss again?Can't help but think Burge suffers from growing up with us. If the Burge of now was brought in to replace the Burge of three years ago we'd be quite happy. In the team of the year, and this board would be wanking itself silly over YouTube highlights of his saves.
Anyway he's only 25, young for a keeper. If he looks after himself he could be our first choice for over a decade to come.
Totally irrelevant how old others are or were.How old was Kirkland when he was sold to Liverpool or Westwood in the first team at Coventry? Can't use age as an excuse, if you're goid enough you are old enough. How old is Bayliss again?
iker Casillas was only 26 when he captained Spain for the 1st time. AND they won Europe that year too! #justsayingHow old was Kirkland when he was sold to Liverpool or Westwood in the first team at Coventry? Can't use age as an excuse, if you're goid enough you are old enough. How old is Bayliss again?
No but theyre suggesting hes not as good as he could be because hes young. Age is irrelevant. Hes not good enogh because hes nit good enough!Totally irrelevant how old others are or were.
Has anybody suggested Burge is an England international in the making?
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