Supporters consultative group minutes? (8 Viewers)

Nick said:

So anybody who doesn't agree with you should resign? Isn't that sort of shite part of the bigger issue?

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I think he was saying that democracy rules, something Mr Strange doesn't seem to go along with. He left his position atc the LSC because he didn't believe in what the majority wanted to promote. He is more interested in attempting to besmirch the largest supporter's group under the guise of the SGC looking at its self while ignoring the very genuine concerns of the fans that the group he chairs is supposed to represent.

He's a complete failure who has his own agenda that isn't shared with the vast majority. If that isn't a good enough reason to resign I don't know what is.

I have read all of the posts with a pleasant surprise at the unanimous tone throughout (apart from the usual suspect) and I generally agree with the conclusions of the contributors. The minutes do not read well and do not shine a positive light on the group.
What does not sit easily with me though is the view of Jon Strange, somebody who has supported the club home and away for over 50 years, and a force for good at cclsc for more years than I can remember. I can't say I know him very well but I know him well enough that he would only have the best interests of what is left of the club at heart.

Nick said:

Thanks for answering. I am not sure if I remember that far back but wasn't it meant to have a member from each section of fans. Corporate, trust, london, ireland, singers corner, diamond etc. Not necessarily representing a group officially but to get a wider range of opinions?

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Singers corner? Lol. Singers corner didn't exist when the joint council was formed. But yes, apart from that you are correct.
Singers corner became part of the SCG when two board members of the trust approached the lad who had become the spokesperson for them and invited to a trust meeting and then an SCG meeting. I think "singers corner" is now called "no one likes us we don't care" though not 100% on that.

riyadhskyblue said:

What does not sit easily with me though is the view of Jon Strange, somebody who has supported the club home and away for over 50 years, and a force for good at cclsc for more years than I can remember. I can't say I know him very well but I know him well enough that he would only have the best interests of what is left of the club at heart.

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Maybe he does, but reading his comments, it does seem to fall quite nicely into Mark Labovitch's agenda...Did he have help from ML in formulating his comments I wonder?? (oooh, another conspiracy theory..NW will love it)

It reads to me that he either has just his own interests at heart, not CCFC, or he is being used... or, we have found out who grendel really is....

Brighton Sky Blue said:

'The Sky Blue Trust do not have a seat as no organisation was given a seat'

Bob Eales (CCFPA)
David Busst (SBitC)

The former certainly looks like an organisation to me.

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I know this is backtracking a little but I've just been catching up with the thread and came across this. The bit that intrigues me is Dave Busst being there. Not that I have a problem with it as such but as the SBitC is a registered charity, is no longer funded by the club and has an independent Board of Trustees that makes them an organisation in even the narrowest use of the word.

TurkeyTrot said:

Singers corner? Lol. Singers corner didn't exist when the joint council was formed. But yes, apart from that you are correct.
Singers corner became part of the SCG when two board members of the trust approached the lad who had become the spokesperson for them and invited to a trust meeting and then an SCG meeting. I think "singers corner" is now called "no one likes us we don't care" though not 100% on that.

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No i know not at the start but remember them being there at some point!

riyadhskyblue said:

I have read all of the posts with a pleasant surprise at the unanimous tone throughout (apart from the usual suspect) and I generally agree with the conclusions of the contributors. The minutes do not read well and do not shine a positive light on the group.
What does not sit easily with me though is the view of Jon Strange, somebody who has supported the club home and away for over 50 years, and a force for good at cclsc for more years than I can remember. I can't say I know him very well but I know him well enough that he would only have the best interests of what is left of the club at heart.

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What he thinks is best for the club may not be what the majority think is best.

Part of the problem here with all of these groups is that the club is special to everyone. What's needed is people to ensure that democracy reigns, running about claiming so and so isn't in it for the club when that's obviously not true is silly. There's no glory fans here. No-one who wants to be known as the guy that killed CCFC. We're all on the same team, it'd be nice if a few people like this Mr Strange realised that it's not about their personal mission.

olderskyblue said:

Maybe he does, but reading his comments, it does seem to fall quite nicely into Mark Labovitch's agenda...Did he have help from ML in formulating his comments I wonder?? (oooh, another conspiracy theory..NW will love it)

It reads to me that he either has just his own interests at heart, not CCFC, or he is being used... or, we have found out who grendel really is....

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Sisu hand picking fans and filling their pretty head with dreams and rainbows so they come out on their side?

Never!

Written a bit on the latest meeting if anyone is interested. Hoping to do an update later if I can get hold of the relevant parties.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sky-blue-trust-threatened-expulsion-6879142



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SimonGilbert said:

Written a bit on the latest meeting if anyone is interested. Hoping to do an update later if I can get hold of the relevant parties.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sky-blue-trust-threatened-expulsion-6879142



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Note that SBT members abstained in the vote to ask them to apologise, that vote was not unanimous.

it's supposed to represent ALL groups of fans, sisu just want the nodding dog section.

Jack Griffin said:

Note that SBT members abstained in the vote to ask them to apologise, that vote was not unanimous.

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Thanks for that, then the minutes are extremely misleading (unacceptably so imo) assuming (and i'm not doubting you) you are correct

Noggin said:

Thanks for that, then the minutes are extremely misleading (unacceptably so imo) assuming (and i'm not doubting you) you are correct

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I got it from lamtara2006, he is in the know.

lamtara2006 said:

This thread seems to have produced a rare thing ... an almost unanimous view. I hope that Jonathan Strange reads these posts and then does the honourable thing by firstly apologising, not just to the Sky Blue Trust but to all Coventry City Supporters for his abject failure to represent us properly, followed by his swift resignation from the SCG. All those who supported the motion to restrain the SBT - I understand that Jan and Moz abstained so the motion was not unanimous as reported - should also resign.

Perhaps then a new SCG can be formed at which the important issues of getting the club back to Coventry, the financial situation of the club, investment in the team for next season, restoration of fan unity etc. can be seriously discussed and action taken.

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http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sky-blue-trust-threatened-expulsion-6879142 in the CT

oldskyblue58 said:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sky-blue-trust-threatened-expulsion-6879142 in the CT

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Good article hopefully Mr Strange can do an interview with CET explain his position and answer the concerns of us fans that the SCG claim to represent over this

SimonGilbert said:

Written a bit on the latest meeting if anyone is interested. Hoping to do an update later if I can get hold of the relevant parties.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sky-blue-trust-threatened-expulsion-6879142



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Good work if you do get hold of Mr Strange

Can you tell him the fans want all the groups working together. Not getting caught up in petty squabbles incited by the board of CCFC.

The fans are more interested in :-

When is the fans forum happening?
What is the current progress on the new stadium
How is the new stadium financially viable, either long term or short term. How will investors get a return on their investment?
Why can't we rent the Ricoh whilst building it. How can CCC hurt us if we are temporarily renting from them?
If it is going to cost 20-30 million to build a new 15k stadium. Why not bid 30 million for ACL as a whole. It may not be up for sale. It may get rejected but put the bid in.
One,it will show you tried and the council are unreasonable.
Two, if you are asked to show proof of funds in order to put in the bid. People may take you more seriously on the new stadium project.

Can the group meet twice a month.

Why did the CCFC board not attend at all. They only need to make one meeting a week.

Can you set up an easy way for fans to submit questions to the forum.

The trouble with all this is that it distracts attention from the things that matter, the real questions that are being asked. If you didn't want to explain things then certainly all this rubbish going on aimed at the Trust, setting fan against fan helps keep attention elsewhere.

No one else is biting so whilst ACL & CCC are occupied (and legally the best course of action is for all parties going to court to keep quiet) what distraction is left to hide behind?

The Trust have been an irritation certainly, The March, but also the Freedom of Information requests, the financial questions, letting facts speak for themselves, by being more "professional;" not shouty shouty, the refusal not to do as told, by simply being reasonable etc . But they are the only target out there really that could get a reaction, that could help distract attention with a dispute............ and that is what is happening isn't it? Pointing attention elsewhere. As well intended as the SCG or even the Trust are they are not central to any solution, not the ones that need to be challenged

Time we got back to the real issues and didn't focus on a small number of people who have apparently had their feelings hurt.

So when do we get a response from Mr Fisher and the Club to the questions the Trust put to them. Where is this new ground, how will a competitive squad be financed next year etc. They don't have to answer through the Trust but I would suggest they do have to answer fully and properly. No more of these shenanigans of pitching supporter against supporter to distract - answer the questions

Just my opinion

oldskyblue58 said:

The trouble with all this is that it distracts attention from the things that matter, the real questions that are being asked. If you didn't want to explain things then certainly all this rubbish going on aimed at the Trust, setting fan against fan helps keep attention elsewhere.

No one else is biting so whilst ACL & CCC are occupied (and legally the best course of action is for all parties going to court to keep quiet) what distraction is left to hide behind?

The Trust have been an irritation certainly, The March, but also the Freedom of Information requests, the financial questions, letting facts speak for themselves, by being more "professional;" not shouty shouty, the refusal not to do as told, by simply being reasonable etc . But they are the only target out there really that could get a reaction, that could help distract attention with a dispute............ and that is what is happening isn't it? As well intended as the SCG or even the Trust are they are not central to any solution, not the ones that need to be challenged

Time we got back to the real issues and didn't focus on a small number of people who have apparently had their feelings hurt.

So when do we get a response from Mr Fisher and the Club to the questions the Trust put to them. Where is this new ground, how will a competitive squad be financed next year etc. They don't have to answer through the Trust but I would suggest they do have to answer fully and properly. No more of these shenanigans of pitching supporter against supporter to distract - answer the questions

Just my opinion

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Agree answers to questions

Hopefully the CET it CWR get an interview

Or we get another forum but the question is not moved on until it is answered.

Oh come on are people trying to tell me that they didn't know Jon Strange is only held in such high regard by Fisher because he is on side with the clubs owners point of view...thier are too many people in the shadows pushing out a specific line for PR purposes for it ever to represent the voice of real fans. Too many people on here knock the SBT when in fact it should be your voice, not this fan engagement sham that the club wants to have in place. In fact I would say the C for consultative would be better changed to C for communication...ie the communications that TF and ML want to put out.

oldskyblue58 said:

The trouble with all this is that it distracts attention from the things that matter, the real questions that are being asked. If you didn't want to explain things then certainly all this rubbish going on aimed at the Trust, setting fan against fan helps keep attention elsewhere.

No one else is biting so whilst ACL & CCC are occupied (and legally the best course of action is for all parties going to court to keep quiet) what distraction is left to hide behind?

The Trust have been an irritation certainly, The March, but also the Freedom of Information requests, the financial questions, letting facts speak for themselves, by being more "professional;" not shouty shouty, the refusal not to do as told, by simply being reasonable etc . But they are the only target out there really that could get a reaction, that could help distract attention with a dispute............ and that is what is happening isn't it? Pointing attention elsewhere. As well intended as the SCG or even the Trust are they are not central to any solution, not the ones that need to be challenged

Time we got back to the real issues and didn't focus on a small number of people who have apparently had their feelings hurt.

So when do we get a response from Mr Fisher and the Club to the questions the Trust put to them. Where is this new ground, how will a competitive squad be financed next year etc. They don't have to answer through the Trust but I would suggest they do have to answer fully and properly. No more of these shenanigans of pitching supporter against supporter to distract - answer the questions

Just my opinion

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Just a thought on the Scg....

Perhaps when fisher spoke of consulting with the fans over the ground share, new stadium etc, what he did was consult with the 'consultative group' set up for that very reason, took the views of his lapdogs Jonathan strange, peter ward etc "yes tim fantastic job we agree", and then chose to go ahead, and the fans forums were in fact not consultation with the other majority of fans, just a propaganda exercise.

If the Scg are supposed to give the club opinions of the fans they represent then they should hang their heads in shame....they have made themselves the justification for all the shit fisher, seppala and labovitch are doing.

Again, just my opinion

SimonGilbert said:

Written a bit on the latest meeting if anyone is interested. Hoping to do an update later if I can get hold of the relevant parties.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sky-blue-trust-threatened-expulsion-6879142



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Lots of thing wrong in that article, just read the thread for answers.

thaiskyblue said:

it's supposed to represent ALL groups of fans, sisu just want the nodding dog section.

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If they represent themselves just say so.