Liquid Gold
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It because Aa thing because athletes in the UK are copying what athletes in the US did.
It because Aa thing because athletes in the UK are copying what athletes in the US did.As I said, of course it should be respected.
Although there clearly are links and support because why did taking the knee become a thing???
That's the point, mix politics in and it gets blurred. Regardless of them saying it isn't political, I am sure Gary Deegan wasn't being political when he said "Up the IRA".
Stupid and facileGo outside, throw some nazi salutes and goose step about.
Tell them it isn't to do with Nazis at all.
Stupid and facile
It because Aa thing because athletes in the UK are copying what athletes in the US did.
How could an anti-racist movement, one that is attempting to address systemic and institutional racism (as well as the more obvious kinds) NOT be associated with politics?
Something invented 4 years ago by a sportsman to protest racism being currently done by sportsmen to protest racism is just like doing the Nazi salute and saying it's about something else? Is that your argument?Go outside, throw some nazi salutes and goose step about. Tell them it isn't to do with Nazis at all.
People keep saying "We are nothing to do with BLM" but then do things that were pretty much becoming a thing over here after George Flloyd.
Here's an idea, if things aren't to do with BLM then get behind the "No Room for Racism" and "Kick it Out" and go all in with that.
Yes it is.Is it? But you would be telling people it isn't linked?
You're wrong.No, it started with BLM over "project restart" and George Floyd.
And look at all of us, doing the racist's work by ignoring anti-racism and going round and round about what a gesture means. Deflecting and distracting all of us. This should be a 5 post thread
'Footballers are kneeling against racism'
'Fuck racism'
'I agree'
Arguing about the fucking gesture they've chosen does nothing.
You're wrong.
"We are not doing this in support of any organisation"It isn't arguing, it is pointing out why things should be totally distanced from BLM. The same as was said months ago.
What is the "whole world of other stuff" that concerns you, out of interest? I think I can probably guess, but I would also like to know.
"We are not doing this in support of any organisation"
What more do you want from them?
So because it took longer to get here then the message is completely different?OK so Colin Kaepernick did it in 2016.
How many players / teams have done it before kickoff over here between 2016 and George Floyd?
Tiring isn't it. Feels like there needs to be a correct form of protest fully sanctioned and signed off by white people before it can be OK. I think there is an irony there but I can't be fucked anymore.And look at all of us, doing the racist's work by ignoring anti-racism and going round and round about what a gesture means. Deflecting and distracting all of us. This should be a 5 post thread
'Footballers are kneeling against racism'
'Fuck racism'
'I agree'
Arguing about the fucking gesture they've chosen does nothing.
BLM isn’t about “other stuff”, you’ve been fed bullshit by well funded racist groups on the right with no evidence whatsoever designed to delegitimise an anti racist movement because the racists don’t like it.
So here’s my question: why are some people so susceptible to believing this crap about anti racist movements, but doesn’t get up in arms about not anti racist movements that have actual documented links to actual radical politics?
And why do these people seem to cluster in the exact same places racists do, if them being racist has nothing to do with it? If I found myself constantly in the same places as racists, I’d start to wonder why.
So because it took longer to get here then the message is completely different?
You know the same shit about it being Marxist was said to C Kap in 2016 yeah?
Tiring isn't it. Feels like there needs to be a correct form of protest fully sanctioned and signed off by white people before it can be OK. I think there is an irony there but I can't be fucked anymore.
Racism/politicism has certainly not been the cause of that.... That goes without saying... But its another facet that is sucking all life out of football imo.
Totally predictable but stupid response.Well considering we are being told that whites are the racists all the time, perhaps they are the ones that should have their minds changed to eradicate racism altogether?
Tip: You aren't going to change those nasty white racists' minds by that kind of attitude.
We know it isn't really about that though.
Didn’t Greg Clarke get made to step down for saying’People of colour last week’?Would in general agree with the first part. There is clearly going to be a left/right political aspect to it because of the way political systems work (or don't work) for a lot of people of colour. Clearly there will be outliers, but the general point remains the same.
I'd also love to see a boycott Qatar qualifying stages, but I guess this won't happen.
Thought that was D Oday that said that?As I said, of course it should be respected.
Although there clearly are links and support because why did taking the knee become a thing???
That's the point, mix politics in and it gets blurred. Regardless of them saying it isn't political, I am sure Gary Deegan wasn't being political when he said "Up the IRA".
No. A quick google would have told you what he said.Didn’t Greg Clarke get made to step down for saying’People of colour last week’?
But it’s ok for you?
Here he is, the guy repping Marxists with his avatarDidn’t Greg Clarke get made to step down for saying’People of colour last week’?
But it’s ok for you?
You're wide of the mark really.
My points were that BLM has been tarnished. Some of you are still trying to argue against it.
Players take a knee. Get booed.
Players link arms and sing hokey cokey. Get cheered.
I'm just waiting for someone to call me racist for pointing it out and we have the off topic chat bingo.
Didn’t Greg Clarke get made to step down for saying’People of colour last week’?
But it’s ok for you?
Totally predictable but stupid response.
Doesn't the Marxist stuff come from the founders of BLM?
(That isn't me saying everybody and anybody is Marxist)
That again is the issue with everything being labelled as BLM, isnt it?
But Millwall are tarnished.
Your argument might have been better if you'd said fuck Millwall, they've got previous but why were Colchester booing?
Instead people have chosen to defend a support who have recent history of racist incident at other clubs but haven't offered a logical explanation as to why on this occasion they definitely weren't being racist given their history.
I'll ask again, is Heung Min Son a Marxist?
If you want to educate racists you don't do so by insulting a whole race in the process, or using a campaign that got hijacked for ulterior motives.
It really isn't that hard, but we keep going round in circles.
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