mark82
Super Moderator
You just don't get it do you? Threads like this it is appropriate. Others it isn't. Some of us don't like every single thread breaking down to the same argument.
As far as you want just don't mention Sisu you may upset a few on here.
How about the operation Division 3 mob!
Actually you're very very wrong. There's nothing I like more when reminiscing about how underrated a footballer Roland Nilsson was, to have the thread derailed by another "SISU out, NOPM, KCIC, Joy SepticBumhole and Timmy Fishface raped my cat" post.You just don't get it do you? Threads like this it is appropriate. Others it isn't. Some of us don't like every single thread breaking down to the same argument.
You at work again on this site? Boy I wish that I had a job like yours. How do I get one???
If that's what they're called then I guess we have to congratulate them on being our first owners to reach their goal/target?
No lets talk about now. CCFC are playing at Northampton. What could be worse?
Deflecting the issue to something that can't be changed seems a little stupid.
The issue started with Richardsons era. Everyone agrees that SISU are massively at fault for our Northampton tenure. However, few see past the last 7 or 8 years and remember that our issues stemmed from way before SISU got involved with CCFC.
WM
Moz did a great job - For once collymore was on our side - as opposed to Dicks like Durham in the past
Couldnt understand how it had got to where we were at - and why no knight in shining armour wouldnt want to take such a big club over - and if not what about an AFC Coventry
Moz explained what a mess it was - that we had such loyal supporters, who want to follow ccfc, but in coventry - and there was no knight
Talked a lot about how we got here - and without blaming either side on its own (in fact rightly blaming all sides) - discussed how there is no thought at all for supporters, and is all about ego;s and court battles
well done Moz
No. Sorry our "issues" are not playing in Cov. We didn't have mass protests at how the club was being run until then. Stop trying to move the goalposts.
Also, look into the finances. We were FAR better off under both Richardson and McGinnity than we are under Sisu. The pace of decline has increased since they took over.
Richardson brought us probably the best footballing years of my life and from what I can tell actually left us in a sustainable position if not an ideal one financially. McGinnity wrecked the club for god knows what reason by crippling the income streams and hiring a succession of crap managers just when we needed some positivity. But he still left us a mid table Championship side.
Sisu have changed tack more often that a schizophrenic, gutted the playing side FAR too early, supported a mediocre manager who wasted some of the best talent we've had since relegation and backed one who got us relegated. They've divided the fanbase, ruined vital relations with local business and government, dragged our name through the mud and gutted any remaining assets we had.
I think they can take the blame on this one.
Who shall we talk about? Bryan Richardson, mike mcginnity - how about the operation premiership mob!
No. Sorry our "issues" are not playing in Cov. We didn't have mass protests at how the club was being run until then. Stop trying to move the goalposts.
Also, look into the finances. We were FAR better off under both Richardson and McGinnity than we are under Sisu. The pace of decline has increased since they took over.
Richardson brought us probably the best footballing years of my life and from what I can tell actually left us in a sustainable position if not an ideal one financially. McGinnity wrecked the club for god knows what reason by crippling the income streams and hiring a succession of crap managers just when we needed some positivity. But he still left us a mid table Championship side.
Sisu have changed tack more often that a schizophrenic, gutted the playing side FAR too early, supported a mediocre manager who wasted some of the best talent we've had since relegation and backed one who got us relegated. They've divided the fanbase, ruined vital relations with local business and government, dragged our name through the mud and gutted any remaining assets we had.
I think they can take the blame on this one.
They are probably talking about the present not the past.
6 years is enough time to be held accountable for your own actions surely?
Did somebody really just say we were financially better off with Bryan Richardson?
Seriously?
Let me repeat that for those hard of reading. Seriously?
Consider me trolled.
Robinson wasn't much better
The three "R's", Richardson, Robinson, and Ranson.
I personally think it stems back to Hill stepping down in the 1967-68 season.
Not sure why we are not looking back further?
I'm sorry, but this reasoning appears to imply that it was an inevitability that we now find ourselves in Northampton once Highfield Road was sold, which is just plain wrong.What happened under Richardson lead to the club not owning its own ground. Surely even you can see that has lead to where we are now?
Well we had more income by far when Richardson left, not to mention less debt and less of it carrying interest. Most of our debt was to CCFC supporting directors (Higgs & Robinson). We were about to move into a ground where we'd not only get all the football revenue but also half of the revenue from the rest of the complex.
Even if you include the debt from Robinson & Higgs, it was still smaller than the current debt to Sisu. That debt bought us "the Entertainers". Sisu's bought us Chris Coleman.
Have a look at these graphs: http://worksmart.org.uk/company/company.php?id=00094305#Historical_accounts
Turnover went down, profit dropped off a cliff, yet director renumeration spiked when McGinnity came in. Also note how the only people to increase the wage bill since relegation were Sisu in 2007.
I know the traditional story regarding Richardson. But yes, I maintain he left us in a better position than we are currently in. Not a good position, but a better one than we are in now. McGinnity also managed to control the entire story regarding the debt that doesn't match up with the figures, and seems to get let off and in some cases even praised!
I'm sorry, but this reasoning appears to imply that it was an inevitability that we now find ourselves in Northampton once Highfield Road was sold, which is just plain wrong.
Sorry but your assertions about Richardson are totally wrong.
The man left us with debt levels at around what they are today, near to £60 million, with no ground, relegation from the Premier League and a huge wage bill.
If you think that we had more income, then it would have been with high interest from loans from the Co-Op bank as they propped us up from collapse,but who later pulled the plug on our lending.
If you check the history once Richardson had been ousted we went on a huge cost cutting exercise paying off people on high wages like Delorge, Norman, Martinez, Zuniga et al. I dont seem to remember we replaced them with high quality good earners, more low cost low wage youngsters like Lee Fowler, David Pipe, McSheffrey, Bothroyd, and free transfers like Dean Holdsworth.
Yes we owed a lot to directors, but how is that dissimilar to what we now owe to the arses that own us.
Sisu are the owners from hell but you seem to blinker the reason why we are there, and it all started with Richardson having a punt.
If Richardson had left us in such a great position, why did the man grant himself a bonus of nearly half a million pounds when closing the deal that sold the Arena land to Tesco, money which the club desperately needed, and on land which it later transpired the club didn't own.
YES he sold land that we didn't even own, and gave himself a huge bonus on it, land that we later had to go cap in hand to the council to buy for us and eventually led to spiraling debts as we lost out on major income from this very same land. The reason we couldn't afford to buy it was due to the huge debt that Richardson left us in, and the same land that if we had owned would have paid for the most of the stadium, leaving us as proud owners of the Ricoh and all its income streams, and not owned by some shitty Hedge Fund that has moved us away from our own City.
Yes what a swell guy and great owner Richardson wasointlaugh:
FFS if Richardson hadn't sold Highfield Road we would still own a ground.
Or if he hadn't put us into such massive debt we would have been able to afford the land that the Ricoh was built on, and wouldn't have had to get the Council to buy it instead. Then we would have got all the profit from the land sale to Tesco and others which virtually paid for the Ricoh on its own. Thus we would own our own ground an wouldn't have been owned by some shitty hedge fund.
Does that make it more understandable!
They are all to blame. Yes I do feel SISU should have sorted things 6 years on, but realistically nobody can deny that the old regime was just as crooked as the new one?
No, read the post to which I was responding. It says the actions of pre-Sisu owners have lead us to where we are now.FFS if Richardson hadn't sold Highfield Road we would still own a ground.
Or if he hadn't put us into such massive debt we would have been able to afford the land that the Ricoh was built on, and wouldn't have had to get the Council to buy it instead. Then we would have got all the profit from the land sale to Tesco and others which virtually paid for the Ricoh on its own. Thus we would own our own ground an wouldn't have been owned by some shitty hedge fund.
Does that make it more understandable!
No, read the post to which I was responding. It says the actions of pre-Sisu owners have lead us to where we are now.
Utter bullshit.
Are you suggesting that if someone with even a smidgeon of competence/good intent had of assumed the reigns instead of Sisu, we would still find ourselves at Sixfields?
....yeah, I remember at the time HR was sold, loads of us were saying "In 10 years time, we'll be in Northampton cos of this!".
No, read the post to which I was responding. It says the actions of pre-Sisu owners have lead us to where we are now.
Utter bullshit.
Are you suggesting that if someone with even a smidgeon of competence/good intent had of assumed the reigns instead of Sisu, we would still find ourselves at Sixfields?
....yeah, I remember at the time HR was sold, loads of us were saying "In 10 years time, we'll be in Northampton cos of this!".
Who shall we talk about? Bryan Richardson, mike mcginnity - how about the operation premiership mob!
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