Telegraph Poll: 66% Oppose the sale of the Ricoh to Sisu (1 Viewer)

GaryPendrysEyes · Oct 22, 2013

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/news-opinion/could-ricoh-arena-sold-coventry-6191587
[Click Yes or No on the bottom for result]

Yes I am aware of the faults of such a poll, but Les Reid/The Telegraph put it up there and that is the result after a week.

Will they report it??

Gint11 · Oct 22, 2013

So if ACL/CCC offered the Ricoh to SISU tomorrow at what SISU would think is an acceptable offer, you would all say no would you? Obviously meaning we would be back at the Ricoh in Coventry which is what we all want isnt it???? Im sorry but I would say Yes to that. And before you go 'hi timmy' I am not pro sisu. I just want my club back in coventry.

edgy · Oct 22, 2013

A definate yes from me. Thanks fir linking the poll.

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

no. I don't want them to SELL the Ricoh to SISU.

Que the "you pro-acl cretin" comments ........

torchomatic · Oct 22, 2013

What do you want then, Lewis?

skybluejelly · Oct 22, 2013

Whoever owns the Ricoh are in it to make money .. No company in there right minds wants to continuously pump money into a football club with no returns or security on there money.. Wether it be Haskell , bing or sisu ., not a single person actually likes cov being in Northampton .. And if the only way back is a sale to sisu , so be it.. It does not matter who's name it is under .. Ccfc ltd , holdings or arvo master fund at the end of the day they are all owned by sisu..

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lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

torchomatic said:
What do you want then, Lewis?

I want Coventry back in Coventry. I want CCFC to own the stadium. Not a parent company. I can understand if a management company were to run the stadium (ACL) but I still think CCFC should own it.

torchomatic · Oct 22, 2013

Yes, I'd like the Club to own the stadium but I really don't think that will ever happen again. Not just with SISU, with anyone.

lewys33 said:
I want Coventry back in Coventry. I want CCFC to own the stadium. Not a parent company. I can understand if a management company were to run the stadium (ACL) but I still think CCFC should own it.

Gint11 · Oct 22, 2013

lewys33 said:
I want Coventry back in Coventry. I want CCFC to own the stadium. Not a parent company. I can understand if a management company were to run the stadium (ACL) but I still think CCFC should own it.

Lewys, At the minute CCFC is SISU. They own CCFC !

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

torchomatic said:
Yes, I'd like the Club to own the stadium but I really don't think that will ever happen again. Not just with SISU, with anyone.

I think I agree with that, as much as I don't want to admit it. Too many greedy businessmen in the world to just let "poor little ccfc" own their own stadium which can make a decent amount of money.

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

Gint11 said:
Lewys, At the minute CCFC is SISU. They own CCFC !

I don't quite know how to respond to "CCFC is SISU" ...........

bigfatronssba · Oct 22, 2013

Gint11 said:
Lewys, At the minute CCFC is SISU. They own CCFC !

Actually its Otium.

I can't believe some would be happy for ccfc to potentially be paying sisu rent for the next 100 years.

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
I can't believe some would be happy for ccfc to potentially be paying sisu rent for the next 100 years.

2BF I think this whole rent thing is bollocks. Why is paying rent such an issue? I wouldn't give a flying f*** if we were paying rent as long as the owners didn't bleed us dry on the field. FFP is a load of bollocks as well. It wont work, nor does the body running it have the power to enforce it even if it had the potential to work.

torchomatic · Oct 22, 2013

This puzzles me. We shouldn't pay rent to SISU but people seem happy paying (a massive rent) to ACL. Take away SISU and put in the next owner and I'm sure we'll be paying rent to them too.

bigfatronssba said:
Actually its Otium.

I can't believe some would be happy for ccfc to potentially be paying sisu rent for the next 100 years.

skybluesam66 · Oct 22, 2013

quite happy for sisu to own the stadium . They may or may not be corrupt - but then so may ACL/CCC I just want my team back in coventry

~I didnt used to give a toss about who owned pie money- lets get back to that

bigfatronssba · Oct 22, 2013

torchomatic said:
This puzzles me. We shouldn't pay rent to SISU but people seem happy paying (a massive rent) to ACL. Take away SISU and put in the next owner and I'm sure we'll be paying rent to them too.

Who is happy about us paying rent to acl?

But if we're going to be rent anyway, why do you have an issue with acl?

hill83 · Oct 22, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
Actually its Otium.

I can't believe some would be happy for ccfc to potentially be paying sisu rent for the next 100 years.

Genuinely couldn't give a shit. As long as the team is in Coventry and there are funds being spent to produce a good team I'm happy.

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

torchomatic said:
This puzzles me. We shouldn't pay rent to SISU but people seem happy paying (a massive rent) to ACL. Take away SISU and put in the next owner and I'm sure we'll be paying rent to them too.

Nobody is happy to pay a massive rent to ACL. But if we are going to pay rent to SISU/Otium then what has been the whole point of this? Their arguement was to do with FFP, so if we pay rent to them then we are no better off.

If we HAD to rent from ACL or SISU which would you prefer? I would say ACL because if there are profits then there is a potential for the profits to be used in the city. If SISU get profit from rent where is that going to go?

dongonzalos · Oct 22, 2013

Think the OP is asking the question

Les had the poll attached to his article.

His article was a rehash of lots of old news.

A clearly loaded article towards the Ricoh should be sold to SISU, like his last article, and lots of Cov fans agree with this idea.

Followed by a Poll to prove this point.

The Poll only seems to prove the opposite, now the OP I think, is rightly wondering when is this Poll as with all Polls going to have the results published and referred to.

Or because it does not support the loaded article will that not happen?

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

hill83 said:
Genuinely couldn't give a shit. As long as the team is in Coventry and there are funds being spent to produce a good team I'm happy.

I kind of agree with that. Im just worried about the last bit of that statement. They haven't done it up until now ......... BUT if they did own the stadium, charged us rent, but put money in to CCFC and the team, then who can argue?

We have all become too entangled up in the web of off-field bullshit to stop and think about what we used to care about. Which was not rent deals or who owns what!

hill83 · Oct 22, 2013

lewys33 said:
I kind of agree with that. Im just worried about the last bit of that statement. They haven't done it up until now ......... BUT if they did own the stadium, charged us rent, but put money in to CCFC and the team, then who can argue?

We have all become too entangled up in the web of off-field bullshit to stop and think about what we used to care about. Which was not rent deals or who owns what!

I haven't to be fair.

dongonzalos · Oct 22, 2013

lewys33 said:
Nobody is happy to pay a massive rent to ACL. But if we are going to pay rent to SISU/Otium then what has been the whole point of this? Their arguement was to do with FFP, so if we pay rent to them then we are no better off.

If we HAD to rent from ACL or SISU which would you prefer? I would say ACL because if there are profits then there is a potential for the profits to be used in the city. If SISU get profit from rent where is that going to go?

What did ACL do with any profits?

hill83 · Oct 22, 2013

If Sisu/Otium owned the stadium and did charge rent to 'CCFC' as they are the owners of the club too, how would this work?
Wouldn't the turnover of rent be going into CCFC thus increasing the FFP massively to what it would be paying rent to ACL?

Sky Blue Kid · Oct 22, 2013

hill83....If Sisu/Otium owned the stadium and did charge rent to 'CCFC' as they are the owners of the club too, how would this work? Wouldn't the turnover of rent be going into CCFC thus increasing the FFP massively to what it would be paying rent to ACL? ......................................................................................Wouldn't the payment of "Management Fees" as well, be detremental to the increase of FFP?

RoboCCFC90 · Oct 22, 2013

I can't believe that some people are saying no?

Do you ever want our club to return home?

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
I can't believe that some people are saying no?

Do you ever want our club to return home?

Why should we HAVE to sell to them to return home?!

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

hill83 said:
If Sisu/Otium owned the stadium and did charge rent to 'CCFC' as they are the owners of the club too, how would this work?
Wouldn't the turnover of rent be going into CCFC thus increasing the FFP massively to what it would be paying rent to ACL?

Not entirely sure, but I would have thought investors and their back pocket would have first refusal rather than little coventry

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

dongonzalos said:
What did ACL do with any profits?

Don't know, that is why i said there is a potential for the profits to be used in the city.

lewys33 · Oct 22, 2013

hill83 said:
I haven't to be fair.

I was of course generalising

dongonzalos · Oct 22, 2013

lewys33 said:
Don't know, that is why i said there is a potential for the profits to be used in the city.

It was reinvested into the stadium itself.

dongonzalos · Oct 22, 2013

So does anyone think we will see an article publishing the results and discussing them?

RoboCCFC90 · Oct 22, 2013

lewys33 said:
Why should we HAVE to sell to them to return home?!

If it put's an end to all this misery then yes I support it, the club and the stadium need to be united in tandum for the best possible future of the club.

hill83 · Oct 22, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
hill83....If Sisu/Otium owned the stadium and did charge rent to 'CCFC' as they are the owners of the club too, how would this work? Wouldn't the turnover of rent be going into CCFC thus increasing the FFP massively to what it would be paying rent to ACL? ......................................................................................Wouldn't the payment of "Management Fees" as well, be detremental to the increase of FFP?

No idea! I'm not sure how it all works. Isn't turnover whatever comes in regardless of what goes out?
So £10m coming in, from wherever is £10m turnover. The FFP is 60% of that on wages.
Management fees or anything else is irrelevant isn't it? I could be totally wrong.

dongonzalos · Oct 22, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
If it put's an end to all this misery then yes I support it, the club and the stadium need to be united in tandum for the best possible future of the club.

You maybe right
You may not be right

Get team relegated + Don't pay a legal debt + hold club to ransom (screwing the fans) = get the Ricoh at your price on your terms.

I guess this is the bit that sticks in some people's throats.

Do you bow to bullies and let them get their way or do you stand up to them.

Tough decision.........

CovFan · Oct 22, 2013

dongonzalos said:
So does anyone think we will see an article publishing the results and discussing them?

Les Reid has already said the poll results are irrelevant because people could vote multiple times and this has happened.

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