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simonregis · Aug 27, 2015

Heard from an old school friend the other day who works for one of the local councils that CCC make quite a bit of money from parking, park and rides and the buses and don't want to lose that custom.
He said, 'off the record', that CCC could push London and Midland train company to put on shuttle trains from Nuneaton to Coventry running every 15 minutes but the train company haven't heard a whisper from the council.
My friend whose work often has him in contact with the said train company said they are very approachable people and would listen to suggestions, but when he spoke to someone this week they said CCC have never been in contact with them over this issue.

(ME) I think this smells of rotten eggs and that CCC once again are failing to help the supporters of the club when they are in a position to help them.

steveo1987 · Aug 27, 2015

So basically it wasn't sisu's fault then.

Sick Boy · Aug 27, 2015

Reminds of a poster on this forum who is particularly keen on franchises in sport.

torchomatic · Aug 27, 2015

I think even Tony would struggle to lay the blame for lack of trains on our owners.

Then again...

steveo1987 said:
So basically it wasn't sisu's fault then.

CJ_covblaze · Aug 27, 2015

The only money a local authority would make from Ricoh Arena parking is fines. Most would be payable to Nuneaton and Bedworth and not CCC. The CCFC matchday buses always have been ran privately by pubs, supporter organisations or bus companies.

It's in CCC's best interest to see CCFC, Wasps and local businesses flourish. Why would they deliberately set out to hamper the success?

This whole episode is probably due to CCC being a bit naive and London Midland not providing the rolling stock required. Imo if they can't provide the service then someone else (Cross Country most likely) should be given the opportunity to.

skybluetony176 · Aug 27, 2015

No it's clearly all CCC's fault. They are responsible for the running of the trains and have so much power that they can tell a company what trains they can and can't run. Of course in the face of adverse publicity and a clear chance to earn a few quid London Midland are so scared of the immense power that CCC possesses they'd rather turn down profit and growth of their business than upset CCC. In fact I hear CCC have so much power they're going to overthrow the government and take over the country. The last bit was clearly told to me by an old school friend who works in government in a galaxy far far away a long time ago. He also said that CCC have acquired a death star and they will rule the universe.

Captain Dart · Aug 27, 2015

CJ_covblaze said:
The only money a local authority would make from Ricoh Arena parking is fines. Most would be payable to Nuneaton and Bedworth and not CCC. The CCFC matchday buses always have been ran privately by pubs, supporter organisations or bus companies.

It's in CCC's best interest to see CCFC, Wasps and local businesses flourish. Why would they deliberately set out to hamper the success?

This whole episode is probably due to CCC being a bit naive and London Midland not providing the rolling stock required. Imo if they can't provide the service then someone else (Cross Country most likely) should be given the opportunity to.

The OP smells of bullshit.

It smells more like London Midland angling for a further subsidy (or hanging on to make sure their franchise is renewed before committing to another rolling stock lease).

Sick Boy · Aug 27, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
No it's clearly all CCC's fault. They are responsible for the running of the trains and have so much power that they can tell a company what trains they can and can't run. Of course in the face of adverse publicity and a clear chance to earn a few quid London Midland are so scared of the immense power that CCC possesses they'd rather turn down profit and growth of their business than upset CCC. In fact I hear CCC have so much power they're going to overthrow the government and take over the country. The last bit was clearly told to me by an old school friend who works in government in a galaxy far far away a long time ago. He also said that CCC have acquired a death star and they will rule the universe.

I imagine that you fully support the council's plan to make Coventry part of Birmingham.

rupert_bear · Aug 27, 2015

Can't understand the hullabaloo about all this to be honest, there were never going to be a mass of trains going from Cov to the Ricoh for supporters. When the train station was first muted over ten years ago that was on the idea the whole area was to be re-developed, the industrial estate, at Rowleys Green road and the red hills over the bridge, it hasn't and I have my doubts it ever will be. The train apparently holds 75 passengers I doubt 75 will get on or off at the new station a month.

skybluetony176 · Aug 27, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I imagine that you fully support the council's plan to make Coventry part of Birmingham.

I don't live in Coventry so as it doesn't effect me I haven't really paid any attention to it and what the pro's and con's are to form an opinion either way.

torchomatic · Aug 27, 2015

Then it's a total waste of money as it doesn't serve the stadium or the retail park. So, why was it built? Who benefited from it?

rupert_bear said:
Can't understand the hullabaloo about all this to be honest, there were never going to be a mass of trains going from Cov to the Ricoh for supporters. When the train station was first muted over ten years ago that was on the idea the whole area was to be re-developed, the industrial estate, at Rowleys Green road and the red hills over the bridge, it hasn't and I have my doubts it ever will be. The train apparently holds 75 passengers I doubt 75 will get on or off at the new station a month.

rupert_bear · Aug 27, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I imagine that you fully support the council's plan to make Coventry part of Birmingham.

Another load of tosh. Metropolitan councils will happen, in fact is happening all over the country, Tory policy. We either go hand in glove with Birmingham/Solihull/Wolverhampton or Leicester/Derby even Nottingham, it will happen. In a way we at Coventry are in a good position being bang in the centre, we can perhaps choose.

Sick Boy · Aug 27, 2015

rupert_bear said:
Another load of tosh. Metropolitan councils will happen, in fact is happening all over the country, Tory policy. We either go hand in glove with Birmingham/Solihull/Wolverhampton or Leicester/Derby even Nottingham, it will happen. In a way we at Coventry are in a good position being bang in the centre, we can perhaps choose.

Who can choose? As far as I am aware the actual people it affects have very little day in it at all.

steveo1987 · Aug 27, 2015

torchomatic said:
Then it's a total waste of money as it doesn't serve the stadium or the retail park. So, why was it built? Who benefited from it?

I should imagine someone has benefited,if you know what I mean.

rupert_bear · Aug 27, 2015

torchomatic said:
Then it's a total waste of money as it doesn't serve the stadium or the retail park. So, why was it built? Who benefited from it?

It is a waste as it currently stands and i am not sure who put the money up. Don't think it was our council. But i tell what should now be happening Torch. Disgruntled users of the Ricoh on match days football or rugby should be making waves about the ridiculous parking limitations. I can understand some nearby restrictions but 2 mles as the crow flies is crazy and i am certain this puts people off coming, especially those the other side of the city, there are only so many pub/club car parks or bits of land to park on, i can walk, live in Longford but still a decent walk as some twat has put a train line and canal in the way

rupert_bear · Aug 27, 2015

Sick Boy said:
Who can choose? As far as I am aware the actual people it affects have very little day in it at all.

Yes you do, every May it is called local elections !

lifeskyblue · Aug 27, 2015

Rupert I agree with your first post more than your second. The older I get the more I believe the ballot box is a waste of time. All you do is replace one lot of self seekers with another. The status quo and the interest of 'business' is always paramount...not the interest of the ordinary person. Yes ccfc and wasp fans should create noise....demonstrate and more. So should local residents and businesses about their interests. Unfortunately people won't and therefore another white elephant (this time the station...but previously the stadium) is built to line the pockets of some at the expense of others

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Hcut PUSB · Aug 27, 2015

Cant see a problem myself they would get at least 400 people on that train in Mumbai.

rupert_bear · Aug 27, 2015

You are correct lifeskyblue but what an opportunity there is now to create a bit of noise. Forget the practicalities of a station. We have all sorts of organisations SBT and this SCG crowd, it is these who should be making waves about the parking restrictions. The problem is these restrictions are a cash cow, i would love to know how many parking tickets are issued each match. In a perverse way Wasps could become an ally in this as it looks like promises made to them re. buying the Arena won't be happening.

CJ_covblaze · Aug 27, 2015

rupert_bear said:
i can walk, live in Longford but still a decent walk as some twat has put a train line and canal in the way

You used to be anonymous on here. We now all know you're the chap that turns up to games with a pogo stick and a snorkel.

rupert_bear · Aug 27, 2015

CJ_covblaze said:
You used to be anonymous on here. We now all know you're the chap that turns up to games with a pogo stick and a snorkel.

I like that

Hobo · Aug 27, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I imagine that you fully support the council's plan to make Coventry part of Birmingham.

A plan hatched by Anne Lucas and CCC or one being driven by the Conservatives and Central Government? Yes we know New Labour and Conservatism are one and the same.

italiahorse · Aug 27, 2015

The infrastructures in place and trains will be rescheduled if there's a profit to be made.
Several extra carriages on existing train could be done now.

Monners · Aug 27, 2015

italiahorse said:
The infrastructures in place and trains will be rescheduled if there's a profit to be made.
Several extra carriages on existing train could be done now.

Not true. Read the response from London Midland. The appropriate infrastrucure is not in place i.e. an electrfied train line which can accomodate their existing rollong stock.

hill83 · Aug 27, 2015

italiahorse said:
The infrastructures in place and trains will be rescheduled if there's a profit to be made.
Several extra carriages on existing train could be done now.

Do you live in imagination land?

italiahorse · Aug 27, 2015

Monners said:
Not true. Read the response from London Midland. The appropriate infrastrucure is not in place i.e. an electrfied train line which can accomodate their existing rollong stock.

In infrastructure I mean the station and rails for large queues.
Surely extra carriages could be placed on the existing train that will pass the Ricoh at about 5:25 on a Saturday. I'm assuming that extra carriages are available as weekends are always quieter than weekdays.

Monners · Aug 27, 2015

italiahorse said:
In infrastructure I mean the station and rails for large queues.
Surely extra carriages could be placed on the existing train that will pass the Ricoh at about 5:25 on a Saturday. I'm assuming that extra carriages are available as weekends are always quieter than weekdays.

Not according to the response I had from London Midland.

italiahorse · Aug 27, 2015

hill83 said:
Do you live in imagination land?

Probably, but surely we need to question the train company who seem to be making excuses and not fully explaining the reasoning.
Electrification will give flexibility eventually so if that's the answer we will have to wait.

italiahorse · Aug 27, 2015

Monners said:
Not according to the response I had from London Midland.

Not read the detailed response I must admit. All I've seen is some execs comments.

Monners · Aug 27, 2015

italiahorse said:
Not read the detailed response I must admit. All I've seen is some execs comments.

Below is the response I had 3 weeks ago from London Midland which I posted on another thread:

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About 3 weeks ago I emailed London Midland about the regulatory and capacity of trains for the new station on match. I have been away, so missed the chance for a scoop ahead of the CT! NO spin though from the train company

Here is their response anyway from 11 August:

Dear Mr Monners (see what I have done there)

Thank you for your e-mail.

This is our current position in answer to your question:

The Coventry to Nuneaton upgrade is being delivered by Coventry City Council, Centro and Warwickshire County Council. It is funded by the three partners, the Department for Transport (DfT) and the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF).

This is the first part of the authorities’ three year plan to develop the route from Nuneaton to Coventry and Coventry to Leamington Spa. Initially there will be one train per hour in each direction between Coventry and Nuneaton. Planned work on the line in 2017 will allow the service to double to two trains per hour. This will also mean extra trains could run as a ‘shuttle service’ between Coventry and Coventry Arena for events at the Ricoh stadium.

Until this work is done, the advice is to use existing bus services to get to the ground on match days and for concerts. Due to capacity restrictions, Coventry Arena station may be closed for one hour after events at the Ricoh stadium. In the meantime the station operator, London Midland, and the Ricoh Arena owners are investigating ways of providing additional services to the stadium for special events and sports matches in the future.

My original email to them:

Quick question: What are the plans for extra trains and coaches on match days at the Ricoh Arena in Coventry. The station is due to open in September I believe. There are rumours that it will be one single coach train per hour (which I find hard to believe). I would be grateful if you are able to shed any light.

Slightly random perhaps, but would be good to know – I can see the service being quite heavily used on match days
Thanks
Monners

skybluetony176 · Aug 27, 2015

italiahorse said:
Probably, but surely we need to question the train company who seem to be making excuses and not fully explaining the reasoning.
Electrification will give flexibility eventually so if that's the answer we will have to wait.

I would imagine that if there is free diesel rolling stock somewhere in the country the cost of getting it to the Ricoh and operating it has to be outweighed by the profit they can make. Unless that is possible noting is going to happen until the line gets electrified and that isn't due to happen until 2017.

Ashdown · Aug 27, 2015

I've got a feeling I may be able to use this limited service on occasion anyway ? I'm happy for the sake of a few beers to leave the car at home in Burbage, make the short walk to Hinckley station........quick change at sunny Nunny and then onto the Arena and casino. I'm happy to arrive 2 hours early and leave an hour or two after the game as well. That gives me a full afternoon out with a few pints, the match and a play on the machines ?!

italiahorse · Aug 27, 2015

Monners said:
Below is the response I had 3 weeks ago from London Midland which I posted on another thread:

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About 3 weeks ago I emailed London Midland about the regulatory and capacity of trains for the new station on match. I have been away, so missed the chance for a scoop ahead of the CT! NO spin though from the train company

Here is their response anyway from 11 August:

Dear Mr Monners (see what I have done there)

Thank you for your e-mail.

This is our current position in answer to your question:

The Coventry to Nuneaton upgrade is being delivered by Coventry City Council, Centro and Warwickshire County Council. It is funded by the three partners, the Department for Transport (DfT) and the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF).

This is the first part of the authorities’ three year plan to develop the route from Nuneaton to Coventry and Coventry to Leamington Spa. Initially there will be one train per hour in each direction between Coventry and Nuneaton. Planned work on the line in 2017 will allow the service to double to two trains per hour. This will also mean extra trains could run as a ‘shuttle service’ between Coventry and Coventry Arena for events at the Ricoh stadium.

Until this work is done, the advice is to use existing bus services to get to the ground on match days and for concerts. Due to capacity restrictions, Coventry Arena station may be closed for one hour after events at the Ricoh stadium. In the meantime the station operator, London Midland, and the Ricoh Arena owners are investigating ways of providing additional services to the stadium for special events and sports matches in the future.

My original email to them:

Quick question: What are the plans for extra trains and coaches on match days at the Ricoh Arena in Coventry. The station is due to open in September I believe. There are rumours that it will be one single coach train per hour (which I find hard to believe). I would be grateful if you are able to shed any light.

Slightly random perhaps, but would be good to know – I can see the service being quite heavily used on match days
Thanks
Monners

Thanks for the info.
I now understand the long term plan which I assume is electrification.
My limited knowledge of diesel trains tells me that it needs to be turned round at each station so it can 'pull' the extra carriages. I believe electric can operate differently and doesn't require turn round.
I guess the opportunity needed to be taken for the station infrastructure first it's just unfortunate the timings have a disconnect.
Mind you it could be bad news for our new stadium in Blackhorse Road as 2 trains per hour is one of the congestion problems effecting planning permission

chiefdave · Aug 27, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
I would imagine that if there is free diesel rolling stock somewhere in the country the cost of getting it to the Ricoh and operating it has to be outweighed by the profit they can make. Unless that is possible noting is going to happen until the line gets electrified and that isn't due to happen until 2017.

London Midland's diesel depot is in Tysley. As weekends on most lines offer a reduced service at weekends there is diesel rolling stock stored there over the weekend.

All it would need is that rolling stock to be moved over for use on the Coventry to Nuneaton line. That's not hard, the line from the depot goes to Leamington and from there they can easily get onto the Coventry to Nuneaton line. Evening matches might be trickier.

skybluetony176 · Aug 27, 2015

chiefdave said:
London Midland's diesel depot is in Tysley. As weekends on most lines offer a reduced service at weekends there is diesel rolling stock stored there over the weekend.

All it would need is that rolling stock to be moved over for use on the Coventry to Nuneaton line. That's not hard, the line from the depot goes to Leamington and from there they can easily get onto the Coventry to Nuneaton line. Evening matches might be trickier.

Tysley is a maintenance depot. Not sure if they actually store free diesel stock there or not. Have you asked London Midland?

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