The 'academy model' (1 Viewer)

[KersleyDigs]

So apparently this is what we are going for? Don't spend 'short term money' on expensive players. We build and improve from within and then rise up the divisions. This is the spin we are fed for not investing in the first team anyway.

Let's see...... Wilson went for a decent fee, albeit way below his true value. As were the fees for Bigirimana and Turner.

Let see how these Maddison & Haynes rumours play out. Can SISU insult fans intelligence anymore? Either develop and keep academy players or spend money on senior players! You can't have it both ways otherwise the 'model' is bullsh*t

 

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[Bill Glazier]

They all get sold as soon as they're any good. The academy is now little more than a puppy farm. Just go SISU.

 

[stupot07]

Is it any different to the Crewe Academy model?


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[Nonleagueherewecome]

Is it any different to the Crewe Academy model?


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Yay, we're the new Crewe. Awesome. Let's just hope that Pressley doesn't hang around as long as Dario did, eh?

 

[Paxman II]

Yes the academy model is the way forward at the moment and I expect them to largely honour that as we have seen with players coming through. Now sometimes one or two may have to go in order keep finances up especially if crowds are not increasing (lack of support for the team)
As for Maddison, sorry don't particularly rate him so not a big loss tbh. be glad of a fee and future fees rolled into his performance in later seasons and sell on clauses. Sometimes it's just good business.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

"Honouring it" by not signing enough senior players so that we need to bring them through, often before they are ready/good enough. It's not like they've made some "honourable" gesture other than not signing enough players. I bet that was a tough sacrifice for them to make...

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Is it any different to the Crewe Academy model?


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We've fallen quite a way away but we're not yet at Crewe level. Look at MK Dons, fending off interest for Dele Alli successfully so far and the rumoured amount if he does leave is 10 million.

If Maddison and Haynes are sold so early into their career here it would be extremely disappointing from the club, they haven't even proved anything yet at L1 level.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Yes the academy model is the way forward at the moment and I expect them to largely honour that as we have seen with players coming through. Now sometimes one or two may have to go in order keep finances up especially if crowds are not increasing (lack of support for the team)
As for Maddison, sorry don't particularly rate him so not a big loss tbh. be glad of a fee and future fees rolled into his performance in later seasons and sell on clauses. Sometimes it's just good business.

You better go tell some of the top scouts in the UK and Europe at Spurs, Man Utd, Man City or Liverpool that he isn't very good then. I'm sure they are desperate for your opinion.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

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Probably not mate....btw, When was the last time Crewe played in the premiership?

 

[Jack Griffin]

We've fallen quite a way away but we're not yet at Crewe level. Look at MK Dons, fending off interest for Dele Alli successfully so far and the rumoured amount if he does leave is 10 million.

If Maddison and Haynes are sold so early into their career here it would be extremely disappointing from the club, they haven't even proved anything yet at L1 level.

Are you sure?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Are you sure?

Yep.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Yep.

It's getting there though, isn't it? Probably our role model, especially if we can play in a much smaller stadium like they do. Fanbase is headed their way, too...

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

It's getting there though, isn't it? Probably our role model, especially if we can play in a much smaller stadium like they do. Fanbase is headed their way, too...

Possibly, but surely the slide has to stop and level out at some point?

 

[stupot07]

We've fallen quite a way away but we're not yet at Crewe level. Look at MK Dons, fending off interest for Dele Alli successfully so far and the rumoured amount if he does leave is 10 million.

If Maddison and Haynes are sold so early into their career here it would be extremely disappointing from the club, they haven't even proved anything yet at L1 level.

I didn't mean Crewe in a derogatory way. They have had a conveyer belt of talent come through their academy - Ashton, murphy, hulse, Vaughan, powell, platt, neil Lennon, rob jones, Seth johnson, Dele, Maynard, westwood, Bailey, Pope, Ben marshall, etc. Quite a few have gone on to play international football.


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[Jack Griffin]

Yep.

Green championship, red L1

Crewe League positions (1998-2010) 11-18-19-14-22-02-18-21-22-13-20-22
CCFC. League positions (2000-2012) 11-20-12-19-08-17-21-17-19-18-23-15

Bears comparison if you ask me..

 

[Chipfat]

I would say Crewe have a policy that players are produced for the purpose to sell. All to fund the running cost of the club including reinvestment in all areas. This is due to the size and reality of the expectation, it will never compete in the premiership or at the top end of the Championship so owners built the model to sustain the plan...

Sisu have projected a club that want's to gain promotion, big club attitude, a plan of competing at the highest level and this has been from day 1. Now in reality the words are going one way and the actions are going in the total opposite direction... If Sisu came out and stated that we have to sell to survive , we have to produce as we can't afford to buy, we are not in a position to turn down good offers,then most would understand although not agree with the outcome.. Sisu instead spin,, by saying how good the academy is, how good the model is when in reality players are pushed to fast through necessity not because the manager has the option of when and who.

In the end you as a club do 1 or 2 things,, be crewe except the outcome and understand what the owners model is.. Or you invest try to compete and keep hold of the talent you have to make the club rise.. I would suggest Sisu have tried both ways and now due to lack of money are falling into the Crewe Model but will not want to state it as it will not attract the fans who want progression.. The facts are all to see and have been for more than a few years now,, its if you want to except it or bury your head and pretend we are a club trying to be progressive or just survive. We have owners that never understood the business, never had a plan of how to run the business and lastly made so many fundamental errors from day 1, today they can't get out or move anywhere to regain support, backing or investment...

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Possibly, but surely the slide has to stop and level out at some point?

I've lost count how many times I've thought that! Relegation to the second tier, the sacking of Strachan, the departure of Richardson, relegation to L1..."we must be at a turning point here, surely?!?" But no, sadly, like The Titanic and Thatcher, CCFC is not for turning.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Green championship, red L1

Crewe League positions (1998-2010) 11-18-19-14-22-02-18-21-22-13-20-22
CCFC. League positions (2000-2012) 11-20-12-19-08-17-21-17-19-18-23-15

Bears comparison if you ask me..

Not sure where you got your statistics from but Crewe were relegated a second time from the championship in 2006 so the last three numbers on Crewe should be in red, not to mention they spent 3 seasons in league 2 in the three years after you have conveniently stopped the 'comparison'

 

[stupot07]

Not sure where you got your statistics from but Crewe were relegated a second time from the championship in 2006 so the last three numbers on Crewe should be in red, not to mention they spent 3 seasons in league 2 in the three years after you have conveniently stopped the 'comparison'

To be fair.....they have had more top 6 finishes in the last 45 years so are more successful than us


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[Jack Griffin]

Not sure where you got your statistics from but Crewe were relegated a second time from the championship in 2006 so the last three numbers on Crewe should be in red, not to mention they spent 3 seasons in league 2 in the three years after you have conveniently stopped the 'comparison'

They are not the same years.. but the same number of 'recent' years..

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

They are not the same years.. but the same number of 'recent' years..

It's a crap comparison and you know it, can't tell if you are serious or just on the wind up.

And you still ignored my other point, your season finishes are wrong. The last three finishes for Crewe should be red for league 1 and if you continued onto the next 3 years would be in L2 as they were relegated again.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

I could put up with even another relegation if you could offer me a promotion from Div 2 and some degree of bounceback in terms of support and overall direction. City in the top 2 in Div2 would get 10k plus comfortably and a huge away following.

 

[ccfcway]

I could put up with even another relegation if you could offer me a promotion from Div 2 and some degree of bounceback in terms of support and overall direction. City in the top 2 in Div2 would get 10k plus comfortably and a huge away following.

not sure what is more depressing...

1) reading that and agreeing or.
2) reading that and thinking we still wouldnt get into the top 2

 

[James Smith]

Hopefully we're going to stick with the academy model as I think that the academy is an excellent asset to the club. However we do appear to be bringing players through that way and then we sell the best of them as soon as we get a sniff of interest it appears (before RFC get's upset) that there is no serious re-investment of that money in the team. Are we looking to have a team full of academy players playing for us full time? Or are we looking to introduce youngsters from the academy into the team and sell them if they show any serious talent. Because if we are going to do that we need to spend the money and buy players from other teams to fill gaps in our squad.

 

[Gazolba]

Hopefully we're going to stick with the academy model as I think that the academy is an excellent asset to the club. However we do appear to be bringing players through that way and then we sell the best of them as soon as we get a sniff of interest it appears (before RFC get's upset) that there is no serious re-investment of that money in the team.

Surely if that is the model and the Academy is the profit centre, the money should be reinvested in the Academy not in the team. The team is a money loser, the Academy is the money generator. Invest in the money generator. Putting money in the team would be like buying stocks that are going down in value.

 

[KersleyDigs]

That's my main point in the op. They can't have it both ways. Either sign senior players or keep the talented youngsters.