Fair enough that's your decision, just don't moan about lack of signings or selling players when we eventual get out of this embargo.
And before anyone starts spouting that they did invest, yes they did and every player they brought was then sold on at a dam good profit and that profit went straight into THEIR pockets not on the squad:jerkit:
This years FFP budget will be set by last years turnover; which Fisher benefits from as it was a larger stadium he didn't pay for.
This year's attendance will have a bearing on subsequent year's budgets.
Fisher stated SISU would fund as they were in it for the long haul. If you believe him, this year - therefore - wont be a problem
You mean like when they first took over and bought Dann, Fox, Westwood, Gunnarson and Eastwood. Then pleaded they needed a 24k gate to be sustainable, then us fans didn't answer the cry and then moaned when they sold players?
well sorry to spoil your sisu love fest !!!!!
Ccfc will not be playing at the ricoh this coming season if sisu are in control of our club unless still in admin under the control of PA !!!!
If you don't believe this because your head is in the sand ask yourself one question.
Do Sisu still want the ricoh ?
They are still trying to distress acl and their plan won't work if they are still playing their !!!
Enjoy your round trip to nene park or wherever your buddies drag my beloved club !!!
I will continue to go to away matches !!!
You mean like when they first took over and bought Dann, Fox, Westwood, Gunnarson and Eastwood. Then pleaded they needed a 24k gate to be sustainable, then us fans didn't answer the cry and then moaned when they sold players?
OK here goes.
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question: if you were the owners (sisu) and you had to make a business decision (based purely on money and nothing else) would you
A) buy the Ricoh for £70 million (pay up on debts to acl within that payment) and payout to all the staff whom work in the ricoh, pay for the running costs of the ricoh (remember they have been running at a loss)
or
B) build your own stadium holding 25000 (more than enough seats for us) for £35 million (maybe a shinier build for £45million but its a saving of £25million or more! it is a no-brainer)
it doesn't take a genius to work out why SISU have the upper hand in this scenario. of course they want to build, if they cant own the ground and be able to use the land opposite, buy into infrastructure, and make profit they will have no other business choice than to build and own outright! why are our fans finding this so hard to understand!
sorry but i disagree with a lot of fans here. i have just joined this forum after reading this post by Torchomatic. I seriously do not want us to continue playing in the ricoh arena. To be honest with you the place is toxic and has never ever been an advantage to our team. I understand that is also down to a complete lack of numbers in fans but the results have been terrible at home since the Ricoh opened OVERALL.
I can not stand the atmosphere, many of us would prefer a smaller compact stadium based on highfield road for numbers of seats because a half filled ground is still better than a third filled super arena. you only have to look at some of the grounds we have been to last year in league 1 - seven thousand fans in the ground and the atmosphere being 20 times better than we can ever raise in the Ricoh. for me football is not only about the ball play, the skill and the admiration of the dedication by players - loyalty etc... but atmosphere is the main consideration for me. If i want to be a purist football fan the truth is i wouldn't need to watch a poor team play at a standard so low in front of 10,000 fans in an arena fit for the premier league ... no, the truth is there are better non league sides that play in front of 1 to 2 thousand and the atmosphere is 10 times better.
add to this the problems with transport, parking, the astronomical pricing structure (for div 3!!!) the over zealous stewards, the non banter crowds, the fighting between ourselves in the stands, the players really not putting in a full game, umpteen managers, the price of the rent causing so much strife, the council backing ACL with 14 million preventing a takeover by sisu, the dogfights being played on and off the pitch, the embarrasing morgue atmosphere, the booing, the lack of real entertainment, the loss of 15 thousand disenchanted fans!
in truth i believe the row between the council and remember ACL is actually the council, (the 14 million makes them owners by proxy) in truth the only thing that would bring most of the 15 thousand missing fans back would be a brand new fresh start, a new stadium sounds very good to those disillusioned fans. if there is one thing you can be sure of is SISU would build an stadium fit for purpose and the surrounding areas would be a huge money spinning venture. councils near to Coventry on the borders would bend over for sisu to invest in their area. !! the pay offs for some of those smaller councils would clearly outweigh any loyalty they have to Coventry council. its food for thought guys, I just think that although there is a percentage on this forum want is to play in the ricoh and remain there - there is a bigger percentage who will never go to the Ricoh again. if you want a bigger fan base you need to remove the ricoh.
Fisher admitted at the forums that the net transfer spend since sisu have been here is about £0, I.e they have receive about as much as they'd spent. They haven't made £m's on selling players.
That's a naive view, wages etc will still need to be funded and they will still need income to that.
And technically once the admin process has been rubber stamped ACL will have received all money owed to them for last seasons rent.
What's naive? To believe Fisher's claim that they're in it for the long haul and will fund the club accordingly?
Oh please forgive me how could I have been so stupid. I must stop doubting every thing he says. please tell me how I can as naïve as you, it really would make my life so much easier and stop me feeling so gut wrenchingly sick every time the twat opens his mouth
OK here goes.
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A) buy the Ricoh for £70 million (pay up on debts to acl within that payment) and payout to all the staff whom work in the ricoh, pay for the running costs of the ricoh (remember they have been running at a loss)
It's impossible to say anyway with all the clauses in transfers these days, the selling club rarely sees the full value of the transfer that is reported an speculated about.Agreed. Even being conservative, I make us £7m up in transfers over their term. But we can't say for sure given the duplicity and undisclosed fees.
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It's impossible to say anyway with all the clauses in transfers these days, the selling club rarely sees the full value of the transfer that is reported an speculated about.
Agreed. Even being conservative, I make us £7m up in transfers over their term. But we can't say for sure given the duplicity and undisclosed fees.
This is the man who claimed we were debt free. What he really meant was no debts to entities outside of the SISU family. Within it, we owe more than ever.
So, what trust can we have when he claims expendite has met income on transfers in their time?
And some people call me naive? Jesus....
It's impossible to say anyway with all the clauses in transfers these days, the selling club rarely sees the full value of the transfer that is reported an speculated about.
Go on list them.
If you take the time to look at their latest accounts (and yes they are up-to date - a bit more than either our current or proposed owners can achieve) then you would see that they made a profit! Get your facts right before you start spouting off.
another point...why have you seen it necessary to start another thread with the same crap post? not getting the answers your wanted?
They also had to paid £600k tribunal for Borrowdale too.
I wonder how much we've paid in loan fees for various players?
You sure ,Borrowdale bizarrely fetched £600K.
Don't forget Simpsom £325000 ,bought for aroun £40K.
Sadly there's some that disagree with you, there's even some who say we should be kicked out till sisu are gone or charged double rent
Got to stay at the Ricoh
OK here goes.
#
question: if you were the owners (sisu) and you had to make a business decision (based purely on money and nothing else) would you
A) buy the Ricoh for £70 million (pay up on debts to acl within that payment) and payout to all the staff whom work in the ricoh, pay for the running costs of the ricoh (remember they have been running at a loss)
or
B) build your own stadium holding 25000 (more than enough seats for us) for £35 million (maybe a shinier build for £45million but its a saving of £25million or more! it is a no-brainer)
it doesn't take a genius to work out why SISU have the upper hand in this scenario. of course they want to build, if they cant own the ground and be able to use the land opposite, buy into infrastructure, and make profit they will have no other business choice than to build and own outright! why are our fans finding this so hard to understand!
sorry but i disagree with a lot of fans here. i have just joined this forum after reading this post by Torchomatic. I seriously do not want us to continue playing in the ricoh arena. To be honest with you the place is toxic and has never ever been an advantage to our team. I understand that is also down to a complete lack of numbers in fans but the results have been terrible at home since the Ricoh opened OVERALL.
I can not stand the atmosphere, many of us would prefer a smaller compact stadium based on highfield road for numbers of seats because a half filled ground is still better than a third filled super arena. you only have to look at some of the grounds we have been to last year in league 1 - seven thousand fans in the ground and the atmosphere being 20 times better than we can ever raise in the Ricoh. for me football is not only about the ball play, the skill and the admiration of the dedication by players - loyalty etc... but atmosphere is the main consideration for me. If i want to be a purist football fan the truth is i wouldn't need to watch a poor team play at a standard so low in front of 10,000 fans in an arena fit for the premier league ... no, the truth is there are better non league sides that play in front of 1 to 2 thousand and the atmosphere is 10 times better.
add to this the problems with transport, parking, the astronomical pricing structure (for div 3!!!) the over zealous stewards, the non banter crowds, the fighting between ourselves in the stands, the players really not putting in a full game, umpteen managers, the price of the rent causing so much strife, the council backing ACL with 14 million preventing a takeover by sisu, the dogfights being played on and off the pitch, the embarrasing morgue atmosphere, the booing, the lack of real entertainment, the loss of 15 thousand disenchanted fans!
in truth i believe the row between the council and remember ACL is actually the council, (the 14 million makes them owners by proxy) in truth the only thing that would bring most of the 15 thousand missing fans back would be a brand new fresh start, a new stadium sounds very good to those disillusioned fans. if there is one thing you can be sure of is SISU would build an stadium fit for purpose and the surrounding areas would be a huge money spinning venture. councils near to Coventry on the borders would bend over for sisu to invest in their area. !! the pay offs for some of those smaller councils would clearly outweigh any loyalty they have to Coventry council. its food for thought guys, I just think that although there is a percentage on this forum want is to play in the ricoh and remain there - there is a bigger percentage who will never go to the Ricoh again. if you want a bigger fan base you need to remove the ricoh.
They also had to paid £600k tribunal for Borrowdale too.
I wonder how much we've paid in loan fees for various players?
I think they paid for Leon Best as well?
It's impossible to say anyway with all the clauses in transfers these days, the selling club rarely sees the full value of the transfer that is reported an speculated about.
Another thing, Gates.
Sometimes it appeared that the number in the ground was wildly different from official attendance.
Many have commented on this.
If ground share comes to pass maybe this will be harder to achieve.
Another thing, Gates.
Sometimes it appeared that the number in the ground was wildly different from official attendance.
Many have commented on this.
If ground share comes to pass maybe this will be harder to achieve.
Yeah good spot they are trying to cheat on Customs and Excise.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Two points: Are you sure that the Ricoh (or ACL, I'm not sure to which you refer) is running at a loss? Secondly, your last paragraph refers to local councils bending over for Sisu. Is that to enable Sisu to shaft them?
Silly boy.
VAT is calculated on the income earned as per the statutory accounts, not the crowd numbers quoted in the newspaper or given over the loudspeaker. Do try to interject a small modicum of reality into your poor attempts at sarcasm please.
They are calculated off official attendances which is paid tickets and cash through turnstiles combined with season ticket holders'. If advanced ticket purchasers attend or not they are counted in the attendance. The notion the club fiddle crowd figures is ludicrous.
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