why weird ? just seems like common senseIt is weird he says that.
Would be good to know the question put to him
Would anyone on this forum deal with them .If I was there milkman I would ask for money up front.
I wouldn't want to be a milkman to Sisu if they are creaming everything off.Would anyone on this forum deal with them .If I was there milkman I would ask for money up front.
It is one of those things that Gilbert always says about to "let the reader make up their own mind" isn't it?
Hence, if he is very specific in his answer you give him the other question to see the answer to that one.
ie.
"Can you rule out working with CCFC?"
"We can rule out working with SISU."
You don't leave it there because you have your headline.
You say.
"But can you rule out CCFC?" and see what he says or his reaction. You don't let people give answers like that and not follow up on it.
Surely that's obvious, right?
Can't help but think shrinking the Club to the point that the Butts becomes a straightforward simple fit could be desirable to our Chairman.
Be interested to know If there is another vote on the use of 3/4G pitches in this division or if it's already permitted a league lower.
I wouldn't want to be a milkman to Sisu if they are creaming everything off.
Nick,, this is getting embarrassing, stop clutching at SISU.:emoji_rolling_eyes:It is one of those things that Gilbert always says about to "let the reader make up their own mind" isn't it?
Hence, if he is very specific in his answer you give him the other question to see the answer to that one.
ie.
"Can you rule out working with CCFC?"
"We can rule out working with SISU."
You don't leave it there because you have your headline.
You say.
"But can you rule out CCFC?" and see what he says or his reaction. You don't let people give answers like that and not follow up on it.
Surely that's obvious, right?
Frankly pissed off with much/all of this. In particular.......
I wish that CCFC and CRFC would simply state what the plan is, make it clear to everyone and stick to it. Forget all the clever talk, in plain English what is the plan and with who & when, how will it work or be funded. A plan we can get behind and help drive through
It is clear that now any thing goes wrong the implication it is because the fans don't simply just support the team/club protests damage the club. Do they really think most fans are that gullible. Team form affected by protests, results affected by protests, fans aren't spending enough because of protests, fans don't have blind faith and ask questions( how dare they), the owners are upset because they cant get their own way because of the fans and others, a new ground at the BPA for CCFC is at risk because of fans protests. I assume new owners are at risk because of the fans etc................. how many excuses do TF JS and SISU need for totally screwing up..... it is always someone elses fault. It was CCC, ACL, Wasps now its the fans their major source of income. Perhaps if our owners cared, had a plan and knew how to run a football club not drive in to the ground, didn't prioritise investment losses for unknown money men above all else in managing CCFC then the fans might not feel a great and often desperate need to protest. I have never seen owners of any business try so hard to alienate its customers
Wouldn't be protests if the owners and directors were not calamitous in running the club from day 1. The fans are entitled to their say, they provide the funds that keep the club afloat
and finally this constant dick waving between the CT & Observer in the shape of the respective hacks involved. Grow up and get the real questions asked and answered in clear language, I don't care who is gods gift to reporting get some proper answers on player sales, new grounds, academy, Ryton, training grounds, the plan and not least WHY
and breathe, feel a little better for that - have a good night folks
Yes, it's really weird how no one seems to want to do business with SISU. It's almost as if people don't trust them. How weird is that? Personally I blame the CT!It is weird he says that.
This post should be kept as an aid to all that want a brief run through of where we are as a football club.The shafting of the fans ......
Man in power thinks a 25k stadium near the centre isn't good enough and gambles on plans for one of the best stadiums in the country at the time. Despite the fact there was no waiting list or excess demand at Highfield Road at that time.
(Fans opinion irrelevant)
His plans go spectacularly wrong and the plans get downscaled. The council and a local charity step in to save the day. The stadium is still very impressive. However now two other parties have saved they day and expect to be compensated for doing so in the future.
The club is then about to enter adminstration.
SISU come in to save the day. Their plan invest get a quick return to the premier league then sell for a quick profit.
This plan goes spectacularly wrong.
They decide to deviate from the original plan and bring in new people with a new plan of stop haemorrhaging money.
Under the new plan they decide to distress the business the charity and council set up and then purchase it below the original value in order to merge it with the football club getting back to the idea the original man who had built the stadium.
However by trying to devalue it that meant they upset the council and the local charity who would both lose money.
In order to devalue it there was prolonged rental negotiations and a lot of uncertainty at the club at the same time investment in the football was cut as were costs. (Fans shafted)
Then to really put the pressure on ACL and devalue it the football team were moved to another town.
(fans shafted)
Somewhere over this time period fans are told owner of SISU is now hands on with making decisions over the club and learning more about football. She left others to make decisions before but now she is making the decisions.
Council helps out company to derail the devaluation. Owners sue the council for doing what they did.
Owner promises fans new stadium will be built in 3-5 years. In the Coventry Area. Land will be bought immently.
The promise did not happen
(fans shafted)
Owners state they will not return to the Ricoh unless they are owners of the Freehold.
Council repeatedly warns owners that they will move on if owners don't bid for company. However that bid never materialised.
(Fans shafted)
Football club out of blue returns
(Fans given hope)
Turns out Council had actually already moved on and sells to a different franchise club.
(fans shafted).
Owners lose legal battle at numerous stages. All judges tell them the council were just protecting their own business that you were trying to devalue. People running club support legal action at all stages and attend court.
Owners threaten legal action over sale to franchise club.
Franchise club stop negotions over stay at Ricoh until legal action is over
(fans shafted)
Franchise club buy the academy facility that was owned by the charity the owners became in dispute with.
(Fans shafted)
Owners announce they want to join up with local rugby team to built new stadium in the city
(Fans given hope)
People running football club start to distance themselves from the owners and the legal action that they were originally very supportive of. Also very different to the suggestion that the owner is now very hands on.
Deal with rugby club seems to be off. Explanation that rugby club won't deal with owners of the football club.
(Fans shafted)
So with all of the above in mind.
All the way through the owners have been told that fans just want better communication. They want to be told the truth. They want to be told what the short and long term plans are. Also for those plans to make sense and be believable.
Instead this is the message from the people running the club..
Fans protesting and media from local paper requesting the owners move on are
Putting off potential investors.
Stopping the local rugby club from dealing with the owners.
Fans staying away as a protest are hurting the club and not encouraging the owners to move on.
Fans protesting are causing defeats.
You really could not make it up.
Diplomacy does not exist in the running of CCFC.
The rest.How much are they creaming from CCFC exactly?
Ay? What are you on about?Nick,, this is getting embarrassing, stop clutching at SISU.:emoji_rolling_eyes:
Philosophically, that's probably not a problem in itself though. As long as boh 'sides' get a voice, then the pretence of journalistic 'balance' doesn't have to be played out.Just a final thought. Do the two reporters actually get to discuss what they put out with all sides to get a balanced view? It would seem doubtful Gilbert has access to CCFC/SISU etc and I doubt Reid has access to the other side of things CCC/Wasps/ACL/Charity/Trust etc to any great degree. Just my opinion and we will never know, but I don't find either reports put out by them as balanced, more one sided ego massaging - again just an opinion
Philosophically, that's probably not a problem in itself though. As long as boh 'sides' get a voice, then the pretence of journalistic 'balance' doesn't have to be played out.
The concern I have with all the reporting is the lack of digging, if honest. It seems to consist of throw a few FOIs in, and have a chat to a couple of people. Not sure that helps... although rather than go at individuals for that, I'd rather go at the shoddy state of local journalism and its funding, that stops people having the resources to do what's needed (on all sides!) and that's some proper digging, to find out the story beneath the sheen.
Yup, that's absolutely feeble and pathetic. It all reads like it's about him, rather than anything else and that's just immature in the extreme.and his immature tweets, and blocking people for questioning him leave a lot to be desired.
I'm not too sure Nick, took staff out for (late) Christmas meal and piss-up, normally on SuchAy? What are you on about?
His Dad worked for the council.
Thing is as well, shmmeee, there are so many on here only looking at the whole thing from a Coventry City supporter point of view, rather than from the point of view of the local council bing responsible for the whole city and not just a small minority of the populace.
Who inferred a 25,000 capacity stadium was a possibility?
His dad was leader of the council. He's been indoctrinated since a child. You have to pity him really.
So explain to me how investing £20 million of taxpayers money into a pool complex and an Olympic pool in the outskirts of Coventry is actually thinking of the whole of the population?
Also why then did Nottingham effectively write of a £6 million loan to their main football club and Swansea build a ground for theirs?
Strange you quote me but never have the balls to actually debate anyone who argues against your obvious hatred of the club.
Same as when you were jack griffin. Always up the councils arse - never posting about football
You don't even have the balls to answer nicks Pm's
You won't have the balls to answer this will you Council boy?
Well, at least Les' exclusive got more information than Simon's...
Agree with this. They report on sound bites and little else. You would have thought that with Les' history with the CT, there would have been lots of stories to come out of that,maybe not a smoking gun, but some damning stuff. And if he hadn't aligned himself with SISU, surely there could have been a lot more stuff he could have found out?
I'm more disappointed in him as I expected more from him tbh...
Simon made a decent start (eg coming on here to debate) but retreated very quickly, and his immature tweets, and blocking people for questioning him leave a lot to be desired. I'm not sure he has it in him to do any real "digging"
So explain to me how investing £20 million of taxpayers money into a pool complex and an Olympic pool in the outskirts of Coventry is actually thinking of the whole of the population?
Also why then did Nottingham effectively write of a £6 million loan to their main football club and Swansea build a ground for theirs?
Well,if SISU were sniffing around in Nottingham, we would be having a JR to find out.
No they would expect the milkman to pay them for delivery,Would anyone on this forum deal with them .If I was there milkman I would ask for money up front.
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