The difference between success and failure? (2 Viewers)

Macca · Jan 24, 2016

I hear a lot of comments on here when we don't get the win that appear to blame the opposition for not rocking up and handing us another 3 pts towards our promotion party. "too physical" "too direct" "not interested in playing our style"
Now despite the fact that this is somewhat arrogant and deluded and not dissimilar to Wengerism, it does raise a point. When teams do or rather did "play the game" we are or were superb. Now the opposition quite rightly has a game plan to play to their strengths and our weaknesses we are struggling to find promotion form. Bearing in mind that the other teams don't exist purely for the benefit of CCFC I would argue that it is our inability to adapt that prevents us being "the best team in this league"... Well along with league position and points of course

coop · Jan 24, 2016

Very true we need to be able to change our style of play at the drop of a hat to compete against every team,certain teams change there tactics against us to stop our threat but we don't seem to change our formation to combat it

steveo1987 · Jan 24, 2016

coop said:
Very true we need to be able to change our style of play at the drop of a hat to compete against every team,certain teams change there tactics against us to stop our threat but we don't seem to change our formation to combat it

We have no big players to go direct

Evo1883 · Jan 24, 2016

I don't believe that it's anything to do with the opposition why we are struggling lately.

We are making so many individual errors it's actually the main reason why we are throwing points away , not because the opposition sit deep and play rough .
We are taking FAR too long to get the ball forward and it gives teams the chance to regroup hence making our creativity suffer .
RCC has appalling distribution from the back , often ignoring any run made out wide to opt to pass to a CB or fullback and often putting them in the shit , the defence are nervous and I truly believe they don't trust him , hence mistake galore and we have become very predictable ,but ricketts was woeful yesterday yet it still doesn't alter the fact we have a serious issue in goal

Terry Gibson's perm · Jan 24, 2016

If we don't score early to drag the opposition out we struggle, we have been picking up points too slowly for the last couple of months but we are still right in there and it shows how poor this league is.

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

Evo1883 said:
I don't believe that it's anything to do with the opposition why we are struggling lately.

We are making so many individual errors it's actually the main reason why we are throwing points away , not because the opposition sit deep and play rough .
We are taking FAR too long to get the ball forward and it gives teams the chance to regroup hence making our creativity suffer .
RCC has appalling distribution from the back , often ignoring any run made out wide to opt to pass to a CB or fullback and often putting them in the shit , the defence are nervous and I truly believe they don't trust him , hence mistake galore and we have become very predictable ,but ricketts was woeful yesterday yet it still doesn't alter the fact we have a serious issue in goal

Hmm, disagree with that first sentence to be honest. A lot DOES have something to do with the opposition. When teams let us play we can destroy them and I remember against Gillingham here they gave Fleck all the time in the world.

When teams press us at high tempo we cannot play our natural game and from the high pressing game mistakes come.

Definitely there is the inability of the City being able to change our game accordingly, but I would say how the opposition approach us does very much have some bearing.

Evo1883 · Jan 24, 2016

Otis said:
Hmm, disagree with that first sentence to be honest. A lot DOES have something to do with the opposition. When teams let us play we can destroy them and I remember against Gillingham here they gave Fleck all the time in the world.

When teams press us at high tempo we cannot play our natural game and from the high pressing game mistakes come.

Definitely there is the inability of the City being able to change our game accordingly, but I would say how the opposition approach us does very much have some bearing.

If a team presses us , and we play the ball around the back , we cause them no worries at the other end .
We try to adopt a counter attack style yet don't counter attack , or atleast lately we don't and it's because we take far too long getting that ball into the gaps , far too often choosing to play sidewards or backwards .
Get the ball forward fast , sides get stretched , we score .
Play it nicely around the back , sides put 8 behind the ball we don't .

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

Evo1883 said:
If a team presses us , and we play the ball around the back , we cause them no worries at the other end .
We try to adopt a counter attack style yet don't counter attack , or atleast lately we don't and it's because we take far too long getting that ball into the gaps , far too often choosing to play sidewards or backwards .
Get the ball forward fast , sides get stretched , we score .
Play it nicely around the back , sides put 8 behind the ball we don't .

We play the ball around the back whether a team presses us or not. We have played the same way all season.

When a team presses us high up though, we find it harder to progress the ball out of our own half and higher up the pitch.

The Gentleman · Jan 24, 2016

For Coventry City it appears to be January 1st

Evo1883 · Jan 24, 2016

Otis said:
We play the ball around the back whether a team presses us or not. We have played the same way all season.

When a team presses us high up though, we find it harder to progress the ball out of our own half and higher up the pitch.

We definitely didn't play it like this , this often and long , earlier in the season. Nowhere near as much

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

Evo1883 said:
We definitely didn't play it like this , this often and long , earlier in the season. Nowhere near as much

But that's the difference.

We have played it from the back all season long. How the opposition approach that has changed how successful that is for us.

We haven't changed tactics, it's just that when teams press us high up the field we then struggle to make that playing from the back work.

Hobo · Jan 24, 2016

I don't think we have ever hit form this season that clearly defined us as one of the top two sides in this league. Yes we have been contenders and shown the potential.

Cole coming in has ignited us like people hoped. Madison coming back hasn't ignited us like people hoped. We are too reliant on Armstrong and Murphy just isn't consistent enough. The back four has had to be moved around too much.

I think fans have overestimated where we are at in the team rebuild and consistently underestimate the opposition.

The season has been a success and there is still plenty to play for. This squad can still go on and find improved form. I think at least two players will come in before the end of the window.

Hobo · Jan 24, 2016

Sorry should read Cole hasn't ignited us

Otis · Jan 24, 2016

I think two new recruits could really re-ignite the side and give us fresh belief .

Hobo · Jan 24, 2016

For me it is a striker a CB and I would not say no to an experienced keeper on loan

clint van damme · Jan 24, 2016

Hobo said:
For me it is a striker a CB and I would not say no to an experienced keeper on loan

agree. I believe TM wanted us to have the option to be more direct on occasions which is why he bought in MAF but that hasn't worked out.

Was saying a long time ago we needed a keeper. RCC has cost us several points recently. I like the lad but he's young and inexperienced for a keeper.

Gint11 · Jan 24, 2016

Macca said:
I hear a lot of comments on here when we don't get the win that appear to blame the opposition for not rocking up and handing us another 3 pts towards our promotion party. "too physical" "too direct" "not interested in playing our style"
Now despite the fact that this is somewhat arrogant and deluded and not dissimilar to Wengerism, it does raise a point. When teams do or rather did "play the game" we are or were superb. Now the opposition quite rightly has a game plan to play to their strengths and our weaknesses we are struggling to find promotion form. Bearing in mind that the other teams don't exist purely for the benefit of CCFC I would argue that it is our inability to adapt that prevents us being "the best team in this league"... Well along with league position and points of course

If we blow it this year than its two things. Mentality and no working plan B.
The talent is there, on our day we are unplayable - first 45 against Gills, Crewe away, Millwall away etc. We haven't been in this position as a club since Jimmy Hill days. We haven't played a team that's genuinely better than us yet his season yet we have won 2 in 10.

It's mentality and as yesterday proved, without Arma and Murphy or should I say, 1/2 key players missing, it affects us too much.

On another note, MAF & Tudgay offer is nowt.

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mechaishida · Jan 24, 2016

To be honest, I think the issue might be that TM is so accustomed to 'higher level' football and the tactics involved there, that the teams in L1 having adopted a more basic, direct form of tactics has taken him by surprise a bit.

Teams are now cottoning onto us and our transparent tactical approach, so where we go from here is a mystery to me.

eastwoodsdustman · Jan 24, 2016

I know its morally wrong after his previous departure but I'd got to Bury and make an offer for Leon Clarke. We'd be far more incisive with him up front.

Londonccfcfan · Jan 24, 2016

Otis said:
But that's the difference.

We have played it from the back all season long. How the opposition approach that has changed how successful that is for us.

We haven't changed tactics, it's just that when teams press us high up the field we then struggle to make that playing from the back work.

Yes we stuck with the old tactics yesterday, but did we have the personnel.

Ramage is hardly comfortable with the ball.

Bigi was too slow with his distribution.

Did we have any pace, our system of play only works when we play quicker tempo of football, when teams don't have enough time to reorganise themselves.
Yesterday our attacks were so and measured even with 10 men they had time to get back and re organise.

So my point being without pace on the counterattack, Armstrong, Murphy, And Kent , we should have changed tactics.

Hobo · Jan 24, 2016

I did say we wouldn't appreciate Kent until he had gone. I think the last few games have shown that. I know people said no end product. But coming off the bench:

He took the ball into the opponents penalty area.
He frightened the opposition and importantly drew players to him
He often lifted the crowd
He lifted the players
We often had one of our best spells in games.

We just don't seem to be making chances in the penalty area. When teams bank up against you and are organised you need players who can beat a player and attack the space behind. It starts drawing players out of position.

You can do it with passing but at the moment our passing lacks the tempo to do it.

stupot07 · Jan 24, 2016

I agree we miss Kent as an option off the bench, especially when Murphy's off form. I'd have liked to keep him. My only problem with him was he shouldn't be an automatic starter, when he wasn't playing well.

However we have to remember that he played in 7 of the awful last 10 game run so has been a part of our poor form / results. Teams had wised up to him, defend deep with numbers behind the ball, and as he always wanted to take 1 extra man on, they started to crowd him out.

But I agree he would have film given us another option.

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Otis · Jan 24, 2016

Londonccfcfan said:
Yes we stuck with the old tactics yesterday, but did we have the personnel.

Ramage is hardly comfortable with the ball.

Bigi was too slow with his distribution.

Did we have any pace, our system of play only works when we play quicker tempo of football, when teams don't have enough time to reorganise themselves.
Yesterday our attacks were so and measured even with 10 men they had time to get back and re organise.

So my point being without pace on the counterattack, Armstrong, Murphy, And Kent , we should have changed tactics.

Ramage in the side just doesn't fit in with the passing the ball around the back four, cos as you say he's not comfortable like Stokes and Ricketts and Martin.

We need that CB that TM was looking to get and need him asap.

Londonccfcfan · Jan 24, 2016

Otis said:
I think two new recruits could really re-ignite the side and give us fresh belief .

Hunt and Ramage are not gonna light the fuse.

Hopefully the players got us this far should be stuck with...slowly more players will be back from injury and or suspension and will be back soon.

Pretty much the whole spine missing yesterday.

Armstrong,
Murphy
Fleck,
Martin

Super Graham Withey · Jan 24, 2016

Agree that we need a ball playing centre back in on loan asap. Earlier this season the ability of Reda Johnson to bring the ball out of defence at pace pushed the whole team, and in particular the influential John Fleck, 20 yards up the pitch, We need a centre back who can bring the ball into midfield or we need to change our style, become more direct and push Fortune/Tudgay up alongside Armstrong.

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