The fans are an embarrassment (8 Viewers)

Travs · Oct 23, 2014

Grendel said:
They'll get that in a JPT game if Wembley is promised whatever the performance and whoever is in charge.

Correct.

Cold hard fact is our support declined by 75% in the space of two home games (both wins in case we forgot).... Maybe there are other factors at play (cost/SISU/etc), but the evidence is there that our 'massive support' couldn't care less apart from the one or two big games a season. We have the same numbers of hardcore support that we did in the 80's.

I sincerely hope that people who were so scathing on those who attended Northampton for being selfish, are re-thinking their words after discovering that the sixfielders represent a significantly larger proportion of our hardcore support than most would like to admit.

TheOldFive · Oct 23, 2014

Travs said:
I sincerely hope that people who were so scathing on those who attended Northampton for being selfish, are re-thinking their words after discovering that the sixfielders represent a significantly larger proportion of our hardcore support than most would like to admit.

Brilliant point. Turns out that Fisher was actually closer in his estimate of what the Northampton turnout would be than most thought the Ricoh return would be. Sickening that it's turned out that way. Don't expect the Stayaway Ultras to re-think anything though it's beyond them. People who criticised others for going to support the team at Sixfields were quite simply wrong to, and many of them will never understand or accept that.

fernandopartridge · Oct 23, 2014

I attended a Champions League game the other week at Man City. The queuing and organisation was worse than at the Ricoh to the extent that I missed the first goal. The crowd was 35k out of a 47k capacity. In retrospect a the Gillingham experience wasn't that bad.

fernandopartridge · Oct 23, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Do you think the club has been loyal to the fans and the city?

After the Northampton debacle I currently have pretty much zero loyal feelings to the club, and that wont even begin to change until sisu piss off.

You can't switch loyalty on and off. Once you switch it off you are by definition disloyal.

bigfatronssba · Oct 23, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
You can't switch loyalty on and off. Once you switch it off you are by definition disloyal.

The club are disloyal then.

Are you saying that you would be loyal to someone/something no matter what they did to you?

Nick · Oct 23, 2014

Travs said:
Correct.

Cold hard fact is our support declined by 75% in the space of two home games (both wins in case we forgot).... Maybe there are other factors at play (cost/SISU/etc), but the evidence is there that our 'massive support' couldn't care less apart from the one or two big games a season. We have the same numbers of hardcore support that we did in the 80's.

I sincerely hope that people who were so scathing on those who attended Northampton for being selfish, are re-thinking their words after discovering that the sixfielders represent a significantly larger proportion of our hardcore support than most would like to admit.

Theres a guy on twitter, he was obsessed about scabs. Was vile.

Now he just tweets about how he is glad he doesn't go to games.

bigfatronssba · Oct 23, 2014

Travs said:
Correct.

Cold hard fact is our support declined by 75% in the space of two home games (both wins in case we forgot).... Maybe there are other factors at play (cost/SISU/etc), but the evidence is there that our 'massive support' couldn't care less apart from the one or two big games a season. We have the same numbers of hardcore support that we did in the 80's.

I sincerely hope that people who were so scathing on those who attended Northampton for being selfish, are re-thinking their words after discovering that the sixfielders represent a significantly larger proportion of our hardcore support than most would like to admit.

I sincerely hope that people who were so defensive of the right to attend Northampton without being accused of selfishness, are not re-thinking their words after discovering that the sixfielders were not the only ones who had a "right" to do as they wished regarding attendance.

fernandopartridge · Oct 23, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
The club are disloyal then.

Are you saying that you would be loyal to someone/something no matter what they did to you?

I'm loyal to the club as long as they exist. Last year it meant following them solely away from home.

Nick · Oct 23, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
I sincerely hope that people who were so defensive of the right to attend Northampton without being accused of selfishness, are not re-thinking their words after discovering that the sixfielders were not the only ones who had a "right" to do as they wished regarding attendance.

No, the only thing being discovered that some of them abusing who haven't bothered to go back themselves just make themselves look like bellends. Just goes to show some just like to be angry.

I guess it is the same for people who went to sixfields who have stopped going now we are back after they wanted to just support their team.

Don't get me wrong, a lot were straight back.

bigfatronssba · Oct 23, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
I'm loyal to the club as long as they exist. Last year it meant following them solely away from home.

So they can do what they want and you will always be loyal? I'm not having a go, I just want to understand.

I cant help how I feel, the club broke my heart, and now wants to pretend it never happened. I simply cannot forgive that so easily, as much as I might want to. I'm afraid I cannot be loyal to something that I do not feel is loyal back. That doesn't mean I don't support them, its just now a different type of support. I no longer feel its my duty to attend games, more its my choice.

bigfatronssba · Oct 23, 2014

Nick said:
No, the only thing being discovered that some of them abusing who haven't bothered to go back themselves just make themselves look like bellends. Just goes to show some just like to be angry.

I guess it is the same for people who went to sixfields who have stopped going now we are back after they wanted to just support their team.

Don't get me wrong, a lot were straight back.

Simple question: Is it acceptable for people who don't want to go to games at the moment to be insulted/have their loyalty questioned?

That is an easy question to answer. People who abused (and by that I mean name calling, not expressing an opinion on the rights and wrongs of attending) others for going to Northampton who now don't attend do look like bellends I agree.

Surely therefore you agree that those who defended the right to attend or not last year, who are now insulting others for expressing the same right this year, are equal bellends?

Nick · Oct 23, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Simple question: Is it acceptable for people who don't want to go to games at the moment to be insulted/have their loyalty questioned?

That is an easy question to answer. People who abused (and by that I mean name calling, not expressing an opinion on the rights and wrongs of attending) others for going to Northampton who now don't attend do look like bellends I agree.

Surely therefore you agree that those who defended the right to attend or not last year, who are now insulting others for expressing the same right this year, are equal bellends?

If the same people have been abusing People who went to sixfields and calling them names but don't actually to bother to go now we are back then they look a bit silly.

At the time people who went to sixfields were selfish as everybody wanted to watch us play but as the majority had spines they didn't go. It was people who went to sixfields who were killing the club.

Now we are back, there are some who were giving it the big one that don't bother going themselves.

I'm not talking about people who thought sixfields was wrong, I mean the people who were quite happy to throw abuse round.

People don't need to say anything, they have made themselves look silly. Of course people have the right to do something or not , but after giving it the jonny concrete act they don't bother.

It would be the same as rfc fighting for the right to go to sixfields, but not bothering when home.

bigfatronssba · Oct 23, 2014

Nick said:
If the same people have been abusing People who went to sixfields and calling them names but don't actually to bother to go now we are back then they look a bit silly.

At the time people who went to sixfields were selfish as everybody wanted to watch us play but as the majority had spines they didn't go. It was people who went to sixfields who were killing the club.

Now we are back, there are some who were giving it the big one that don't bother going themselves.

I'm not talking about people who thought sixfields was wrong, I mean the people who were quite happy to throw abuse round.

People don't need to say anything, they have made themselves look silly. Of course people have the right to do something or not , but after giving it the jonny concrete act they don't bother.

It would be the same as rfc fighting for the right to go to sixfields, but not bothering when home.

Not just RFC, plenty of the sane Sixfields attendees have been critical of our supporters since returning to the Ricoh, despite their crusade of the individuals right last season.

fernandopartridge · Oct 23, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
So they can do what they want and you will always be loyal? I'm not having a go, I just want to understand.

I cant help how I feel, the club broke my heart, and now wants to pretend it never happened. I simply cannot forgive that so easily, as much as I might want to. I'm afraid I cannot be loyal to something that I do not feel is loyal back. That doesn't mean I don't support them, its just now a different type of support. I no longer feel its my duty to attend games, more its my choice.

I see the club and the club's owners as distinct from each other. That's the difference.

Nick · Oct 23, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Not just RFC, plenty of the sane Sixfields attendees have been critical of our supporters since returning to the Ricoh, despite their crusade of the individuals right last season.

Like I said, people have the right to not go. If they were acting like us moving to Northampton ruined their lives but don't go when we are back, just look a bit silly. Again I'm talking about the people going ott about it.

That's where I respect people like last bhsb and even italia, they were straight back. Might moan about being back and saying they won't go back but they will.

TheOldFive · Oct 24, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
That doesn't mean I don't support them, its just now a different type of support. I no longer feel its my duty to attend games, more its my choice.

Support The Team, Hate the Regime. SISU OUT.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50447

AndreasB · Oct 24, 2014

bigfatronssba said:
Not just RFC, plenty of the sane Sixfields attendees have been critical of our supporters since returning to the Ricoh, despite their crusade of the individuals right last season.

Totally agree, its an "individuals right" to big up what a massive fan they are how they have been denied their footballing birthright by moving to Sixfields for a year AND then not bother going when we come back. Thats some fucking hubris that it is.

TheOldFive · Oct 24, 2014

I think bigfatronssba has been had on toast by AndreasB on this one. It's not everyone that isn't attending who needs to have a look in the mirror it's the mouthy types who were giving it Laldy during the exile including declaring their love for the Club and The City who it now seems clear by their no-show actions at the Ricoh were obviously talking rubbish. The ones who judged those that went to Sixfields deserve special mention for their words then and their deeds now.

But we can be united once more, in one way, by all getting behind the campaign to once and for all get SISU OUT.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50447

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