The fans start calling for the managers head...... (1 Viewer)

SkyBlueScottie · Dec 18, 2011

and the board cave in deflecting criticism from the real problem.....

OK I may have not got the words correct, however the sentiment remains. Why do we always jump on the manager at the first opportunity?

What have we gained by getting rid of Boothroyd, Coleman, Dowie, Adams? We have not even remained at the same level.

ajsccfc · Dec 18, 2011

But on the other hand, what's to be gained from sticking with Thorn based on... I can't think of anything to finish that sentence.

ccfcway · Dec 18, 2011

agree with you, however,

what have they gained ?

all of them are either working in a lower league or not at all, thus proving us correct to get rid

We should get rid of Thorn, but if SISU do, it will be Harrison or Carsley for us.

Macca · Dec 18, 2011

by and large they were all doing fuck all. Thats what happens in football..

perhaps we should give Thorn a 10 year contract and keep him for every last day regardless of results.

at least it will put this "management merry go round" argument to bed

The soothsayer · Dec 18, 2011

I for one, am not calling for the managers head, No, I want his bollocks on a silver platter.

Macca · Dec 18, 2011

while we are at it why don't we end the SISU protests, when has changing the clubs owners helped us?

Macca · Dec 18, 2011

we must stop the ownership merry go round

Colonel Mustard · Dec 18, 2011

SkyBlueScottie said:
What have we gained by getting rid of Boothroyd, Coleman, Dowie, Adams? We have not even remained at the same level.

If we hadn't fired some of those managers when we did, then there's the real possibility that we would have been relegated long before 2012. The 'gain' we look for on most occasions is to simply stay within the division.

sw88 · Dec 18, 2011

Did you read Adam's comments, I think they were in that Daily Mail article (ive read them somewhere recently from Adams and Reid), and as much as I hate the bloke, he says exactly this. He says its basically Cov fans who get manager after manager the sack because they turn on them too soon! And I have to agree.

Boothroyd is probably the only exception. Yes we began to get annoyed with the way things were going, but I dont think there were too many fans who expected their critisism would get him the sack so soon into his contact

ajsccfc · Dec 18, 2011

Adams was saying it as if Coventry's somehow noted for it, and as if it doesn't actually go on everywhere.

sw88 · Dec 18, 2011

ajsccfc said:
Adams was saying it as if Coventry's somehow noted for it, and as if it doesn't actually go on everywhere.

True, but he does have a point as we are pretty bad for it. Not saying other clubs are though.

Gaz · Dec 18, 2011

Hey I know, i'v got a great idea !
Let's sack the manager ... And do it again in another six months.

What a great plan

ajsccfc · Dec 18, 2011

I've got a great idea! Let's stick with the manager and accept a 1-0 defeat... and do it again every week.

What a great plan.

(See how it can be twisted easily?)

Colonel Mustard · Dec 18, 2011

gaz said:
Hey I know, i'v got a great idea !
Let's sack the manager ... And do it again in another six months. What a great plan

IMO there's nothing wrong with that if the manager is not up to the task. It's not always about expecting the manager to lead a team into the playoffs/European spots/cup runs; it can just be wanting them to extract the most they can out of the resources they have available. It is a fair expectation of a manager, and it only tends to be their failure to live up to that basic requirement that gets them the sack.

ICHAN · Dec 18, 2011

Think the Colonel is right on this one.
I think a few would be quite surprised at managers who would want the job, point to prove, the chance to take a club back to where it once was, we do have the fan base it just takes a bit of success or for the club to start winning and showing promise and the fans will come back as has been proven we just need to get this club on a roll and the slightest smell of anything happening and they will come back.
So I think to say who would want the job I think a few would be plesantly surprised as the Colonel says.

stupot07 · Dec 19, 2011

Regardless of the Ccfc prestige, and prospective manager is going to have zero budget, not a tight budget, zero budget and fans will be expecting play offs at least in league one.

I agree with a previous poster - our fans are terrible for turning on managers and players far too quickly.

ICHAN · Dec 19, 2011

Thing is stu I think Thorn has been very lucky because sisu have taken the wrath of the fans displeasure.
His points return is just not good enough and managers have gone rightly or wrongly with a far better points return, the players are good enough to have got more points than we have got in my honest opinion.
If we got a new manager in and he totally failed like AT has then I would be the first to say I was wrong in wanting him gone.
I have nothing against him personally as I do not know him but something new has to be tried as we have just become fodder and teams are getting to know that we are a very easy 3 points when we play them, it has just become stagnent and we need freshening up, because I will be amazed if we get any new faces to freshen things up.

Macca · Dec 19, 2011

stupot07 said:
Regardless of the Ccfc prestige, and prospective manager is going to have zero budget, not a tight budget, zero budget and fans will be expecting play offs at least in league one.

I agree with a previous poster - our fans are terrible for turning on managers and players far too quickly.

you haven't experienced many other towns and cities then

Macca · Dec 19, 2011

So we're agreed. We'll change nothing. Give Thorny a 5year contract, we don't want a reputation of having horrible fans.....................as if. From my experience the wettest fans in the country. You think any other clubs fans would have not kicked off under the results of Boothroyd or Thorn. I give up with this club, the self loathing of the fans is incredible.

We are some of the best fans in the country to play under. Easily pleased, long suffering, easy going, not hostile. Give the fans a break.

Knowledge · Dec 19, 2011

FFS. AGAIN. HIS TACTICS ARE SHIT. YES he has a poor squad. BUT HIS USE OF THE PLAYERS ETC IS TERRIBLE. SIMPLE. GRRR.

sky blue john · Dec 19, 2011

Another Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah post !!!!!!!
Sack Thorn won't make a jot of difference !!!!!
Keep Thorn won't make a jot of difference !!!!
Why bother debating it, hold on lets have another fantasy land post on what manager to replace him with !!!!!!!!

We'll_live_and_die · Dec 19, 2011

At the end of the day, until the senior management is sorted we will NOT get results on the pitch. Pep Guardiola could not get us winning games.

Macca · Dec 19, 2011

At least we tried and didn't surrender to Division 3 eh? One to tell the grandkids about.

Fuck em, they can't be bothered nor can I

sky blue john · Dec 19, 2011

Macca said:
At least we tried and didn't surrender to Division 3 eh? One to tell the grandkids about.

Fuck em, they can't be bothered nor can I

Go ahead knock yourself out on a pointless excersise !!!!
You can be proud to tell your grandkids that you managed to get the manager sacked, but because you were so side tracked doing this Sisu fu--cked are club up beyond repair !!!!!!!!

Macca · Dec 19, 2011

I agree entirely. And one of the things they did was to appoint an entirely inappropriate manager who was happy to take it even though he knew all about them. One of their crimes which people seem to overlook.

Let me get this straight. It isn't possible in your world to be unhappy with SISU and the manager?

Macca · Dec 19, 2011

as another aside, there were plenty of pro thorn people at the start of the season even when players had left that said he would keep us safe and perhaps even push to mid table. We are adrift at the bottom. Is this not managerial under achievement in their eyes then?

We'll_live_and_die · Dec 19, 2011

If SISU axe the manager, then SISU would replace the manager. Do you think that they would replace him with a suitable candidate?

sky blue john · Dec 19, 2011

Macca said:
as another aside, there were plenty of pro thorn people at the start of the season even when players had left that said he would keep us safe and perhaps even push to mid table. We are adrift at the bottom. Is this not managerial under achievement in their eyes then?

I wasn't one of those, but Yes I remember people being positive on here about our chances, but that was whilst we were still being fed bull shit about replacement players coming in !!!!!!!!

ajsccfc · Dec 19, 2011

I can't believe how easily excused Thorn's ineptitude is. If the manager is actually a powerless and blameless figurehead who can do nothing because of the constraints and we're doomed whoever is picking the team, why get outraged when Ken's on the bench? Why not just make him manager, right?

It won't make a difference if our results are pre-determined regardless of who's in charge, as if all football management and coaching that has been studied, appraised and analysed since the game began is moot because SISU are a bit stingy.

I would go against general musings here and suggest that Ferguson, Wenger, Rinus Michels and whoever else is used to illustrate the point would do better with our squad than a man who has only slightly more experience in managing a football team than I do.

We'll_live_and_die · Dec 19, 2011

ajsccfc said:
why get outraged when Ken's on the bench? Why not just make him manager, right?

For me the outrage is in the clear mismanagement of the club by the senior team. Can you not understand how the senior team meddling and preventing Thorn from doing his job can yield poor results?

If someone trying to manage has his hands tied then it can quite easily look like he is underachieving, when infact he is being prevented from doing his job correctly.

ajsccfc · Dec 19, 2011

I can understand that, but there's nowhere near enough meddling to explain our current league position or how we've continually thrown points down the drain thanks to opposition managers countering our singular footballing philosophy, one that renders us impotent in front of goal.

Andy Thorn successfully avoided defeat in a handful of games with a few players now left due to new manager syndrome. Now he's failing with the players we have - that's the only thing that matters right now. I don't believe for a single second that the squad we have is not capable of better than two wins and bottom at Christmas.

ICHAN · Dec 19, 2011

Is there a case here that those who want to keep Thorn in his job with such an appaling record an excuse to keep their hatred for sisu alive.

If under Thorn we were mid table and winning games would they still want sisu out?
While we are shit we can still blame sisu for our position and so by keeping Thorn sisu can still be hated and the sisu out campaign can continue as our results show how bad we are under them and not blame Thorn as well for our horrendous position.

No other manager would be allowed to get away with such an appalling set of results and points return, how can 2 wins so far this season be satisfactory and the manager still get backing?

Sterling Archer · Dec 19, 2011

I don't think the fans (bar the internet keyboard warriors) are on his back. I go home and away and he always has great vocal support from the fans at games.

Lloyd · Dec 19, 2011

I see no benefit whatsoever of sacking thorn while sisu remain in charge, I do see however if we're taken over a new manager and back room staff could do us a load of good,

procdoc · Dec 19, 2011

They're both to blame, simple really. SISU for no investment, Ken Dulieu etc, Thorn for sticking with this bloody awful diamond which clearly does not work. Sack the board and the manager!

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