The misfits myth (1 Viewer)

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2014

So these players who didn't fit in in higher leagues are now struggling in a lower league and against part timers. Where's the myth? Some are clearly still not fitting in.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

dongonzalos said:
I know that's why I said it surprised me when you said its the other way round.

But I mean prior to this my concern is will sell or release quality and replace it with players not as good.

We didn't release Christie he just left. Leon Clarke would never have stayed and it would be absurd to suggest that Wilson would have stayed .

Adams was pretty poor and O Brien is better than baker whose career was rapidly on the slide. Moussa I so t think has stared a game for Charlton.

The main point remains. The Saturday defeat was not down to having an inferior side to the opposition .

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
So these players who didn't fit in in higher leagues are now struggling in a lower league and against part timers. Where's the myth? Some are clearly still not fitting in.

A new manager is needed to make them fit in

italiahorse · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
We didn't release Christie he just left. Leon Clarke would never have stayed and it would be absurd to suggest that Wilson would have stayed .

Adams was pretty poor and O Brien is better than baker whose career was rapidly on the slide. Moussa I so t think has stared a game for Charlton.

The main point remains. The Saturday defeat was not down to having an inferior side to the opposition .

Based on that we should have put Oggy in goals and perhaps ask Bobby Charlton to make a guest appearance
Surely they need some weighting reflecting how far off their best they are ?

wingy · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
A new manager is needed to make them fit in

Or this manager needs to develop a different approach to getting the best of what he has available to him .

IE change his principals .

Ashdown · Nov 10, 2014

I couldn't care less what these players have done in the past, it's what they can offer the club this season they were signed for !

italiahorse · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
A new manager is needed to make them fit in

... or is it that we need to get the players to feel they belong to the club by offering them longer contracts.
That in itself is a risk but people need to start doing their homework first.

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
A new manager is needed to make them fit in

Hurrah. Premier league here we come.

So who is this new Messiah going to be?

Sick Boy · Nov 10, 2014

italiahorse said:
... or is it that we need to get the players to feel they belong to the club by offering them longer contracts.
That in itself is a risk but people need to start doing their homework first.

So you want us to offer players who could be crap long term contracts so they feel at home??

How many other clubs in this league sign players on one year or two year contracts?

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

italiahorse said:
... or is it that we need to get the players to feel they belong to the club by offering them longer contracts.
That in itself is a risk but people need to start doing their homework first.

Your right Freddie "five year" Eastwood certainly felt at home.

Houchens Head · Nov 10, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Hurrah. Premier league here we come.

So who is this new Messiah going to be?

His name is BRIAN!

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Hurrah. Premier league here we come.

So who is this new Messiah going to be?

Immature and unworthy of a response .

italiahorse · Nov 10, 2014

Sick Boy said:
So you want us to offer players who could be crap long term contracts so they feel at home??

How many other clubs in this league sign players on one year or two year contracts?

People need to do their homework on players and build in performance related pay that puts more empasis on winning etc
Somethings missing here. I play football twice a week and I want to win every game I play.

italiahorse · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Your right Freddie "five year" Eastwood certainly felt at home.

As I said you need to do your homework. He never fitted in at Wolves for the same reasons he never fitted in here.
Obrien and Johnson are the only players I could say I've noticed on the pitch. All the other mercenaries just seem instantly forgettable.

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Immature and unworthy of a response .

Yet you still did.

It's funny that some of the posters on here who laugh when you say we need to get rid of SISU and scoff "who with" are making the most noise now about needing a change of manager and when asked who should we replace SP with call you immature for asking a question.

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2014

Houchens Head said:
His name is BRIAN!

And so is his wife's

SIR ERNIE · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
No they haven't and Clarke and Christie were never going to stay.

To finish your sentence

Clarke and Christie were never going to stay once they realised the club had no ambition.

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2014

SIR ERNIE said:
To finish your sentence

Clarke and Christie were never going to stay once they realised the clubs owners have no ambition for the club past bumping along the bottom.

Corrected that for you

Chez78 · Nov 10, 2014

Every team in this division is made of freebies and youth team players, if we are saying it is going to be impossible for us to achieve any success using this model well we might as well just give in now cause it ain't gonna change.

dongonzalos · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
We didn't release Christie he just left. Leon Clarke would never have stayed and it would be absurd to suggest that Wilson would have stayed .

Adams was pretty poor and O Brien is better than baker whose career was rapidly on the slide. Moussa I so t think has stared a game for Charlton.

The main point remains. The Saturday defeat was not down to having an inferior side to the opposition .

If that's your point then I totally agree we are better than Worcester.
However my concern is playing football that fans enjoy and winning.
So we are at least competing in or around the play offs.
That is the only way I see bigger attendances and success at this club.
For whatever the reasons we have had a long period of time for fans witnessing better players leave than those who have come in.
My own personal believe for this is due to wages and a drive for a break even point.
I am not sure which manager can achieve in those conditions a Johnson or a Warnock maybe.
Gary Johnson was my pick for the job but some felt he wouldn't fancy it?
I really am not sure about SP, I don't think he achieved much before coming here and was picked for the model of bringing through kids to develop and sell.

shmmeee · Nov 10, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Probably more reflective would be how many games had

Murphy
Christie
Clarke
Wilson
Moussa
Adams
Baker
played in comparison to their replacements

Burge
Pugh
Reda
Nouble
Tudguy
Hines
JOB

It's probably slightly more appearances by the crowd that left.

The more salient point would be how many are playing in the Championship now? All bar the last two, and those are playing for teams higher up the division.

Also, all of those were our players, Nouble and Hines aren't. Unless you want to start counting people like Petrasso from last season.

covboy1987 · Nov 10, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Probably more reflective would be how many games had

The main thing that stands out when typed like that is the comparison of names and quality from the first group against the second group- don't really need to say anymore

Murphy
Christie
Clarke
Wilson
Moussa
Adams
Baker
played in comparison to their replacements

Burge
Pugh
Reda
Nouble
Tudguy
Hines
JOB

It's probably slightly more appearances by the crowd that left.

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