The penalties in the United game (1 Viewer)

Evo1883 · Sep 19, 2020

I don't understand where the game is going with these rules.
When a player is running back tracking a player his arms will swing in motion, how can he move his arm from a ball hit from 2 yards across his body I completely understand the rule where if the defenders facing an attacker and he moves his arm into an unnatural position and blocks it that's a penalty ... That's fair enough, this just feels like a silly rule though, lindellof couldn't do anything at all

Also a keeper will have to start from behind the line then take the very small step forward to get his spring from now on as it seems 2 inches infront on the line a millisecond before the boot hits is too much, I thought it was a legitimate save but the rules state otherwise, even former pros seem bemused by it all .... I don't see how this is improving the game at all

Grendel · Sep 19, 2020

It was a total fiasco

Otis · Sep 19, 2020

Never a pen. You can't be giving them for that.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 19, 2020

Winning 3-1 with 25% possession

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 19, 2020

Evo1883 said:
I don't understand where the game is going with these rules.
When a player is running back tracking a player his arms will swing in motion, how can he move his arm from a ball hit from 2 yards across his body I completely understand the rule where if the defenders facing an attacker and he moves his arm into an unnatural position and blocks it that's a penalty ... That's fair enough, this just feels like a silly rule though, lindellof couldn't do anything at all

Also a keeper will have to start from behind the line then take the very small step forward to get his spring from now on as it seems 2 inches infront on the line a millisecond before the boot hits is too much, I thought it was a legitimate save but the rules state otherwise, even former pros seem bemused by it all .... I don't see how this is improving the game at all

It's the problem with the handball rule - an accidental handball that's almost impossible to avoid can be significant as it stops the play and a team getting a chance to score, so having it just carry on seems unfair. But at the same time a penalty seems totally over the top. Plus the fact it's far too subjective - what one ref would see as accidental and unavoidable another wouldn't.

So to remove all the subjective and make the 'punishment' fitting I suggest handball, even accidental, can only ever be an indirect free kick, even in the area.

VAR has made it so something like offside or a keeper off the line by a toenail will be analysed for ages, which is a ridiculous state of affairs. I always thought the penalty spot being 12 yards out was to allow the keeper to take that step off the line so he was still beyond 10 yards away. But if that's the rule and they know it then if that natural instinct is to take a step forward to give you a launchpad for a dive then you're going to have to start a step behind the line.

lifeskyblue · Sep 19, 2020

Don’t you just love VAR....hahaha absolute joke. Get rid

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Sky Blue Pete · Sep 19, 2020

Yep no subjective var nonsense only factual

speedie87 · Sep 20, 2020

Best bit of the utd game was evra saying zaha was bombed of of utd for having an affair with David moyes daughter

Otis · Sep 20, 2020

speedie87 said:
Best bit of the utd game was evra saying zaha was bombed of of utd for having an affair with David moyes daughter

Better TV though would have been him saying it was an affair with David Moyes.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 20, 2020

Really annoys me when pundits say I know it’s the law but it doesn’t make sense. How the hell can a ref win in that environment.

I think the handball is really harsh but I think the ref knows the laws of the game better than me.

The retake is the law. Agree with it or not but direct your anger at the right place. It’s a clarification in the law. You can’t come off the line before the kicks taken

So for me it wasn’t deliberate hand ball so no pen and the movement was so late it was a fabulous save.

no_loyalty · Sep 20, 2020

A player misses a penalty and the referee orders a retake, then a different player takes the penalty, that rule just seems wrong to me.

Grendel · Sep 20, 2020

no_loyalty said:
A player misses a penalty and the referee orders a retake, then a different player takes the penalty, that rule just seems wrong to me.

Good point

Otis · Sep 20, 2020

Yes. Should be the same player shouldn't it, unless they sub the guy meanwhile.

Never thought of that before. The advantage is in being awarded the penalty. This seems like an extra advantage in the award.

I do really like the psychology of a player having a pen saved and then having to go through the process again.

speedie87 · Sep 20, 2020

Grendel said:
Good point

I sort of agree but why should attacking team be penalised for the keeper braking the rule

Liquid Gold · Sep 20, 2020

Not a pen, not a re-take. I'd be absolutely furious if I was a United fan.

Hopefully they sort it out ready for our return next year.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Sep 20, 2020

I didn’t understand why they were allowed to change the taker

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 20, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Really annoys me when pundits say I know it’s the law but it doesn’t make sense. How the hell can a ref win in that environment.

I think the handball is really harsh but I think the ref knows the laws of the game better than me.

The retake is the law. Agree with it or not but direct your anger at the right place. It’s a clarification in the law. You can’t come off the line before the kicks taken

So for me it wasn’t deliberate hand ball so no pen and the movement was so late it was a fabulous save.

Agree wholeheartedly. The aim their anger at the ref when it should be aimed at the rules they're being asked to enforce. They're only doing what they're told. Of course they're not perfect and it can be frustrating with inconcsistency not just wekk to week but sometimes within games where seemingly identical situations will result in different decisions. But on stuff like that stop letting the authorities get away with making it shit. Call them out.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 20, 2020

Otis said:
Yes. Should be the same player shouldn't it, unless they sub the guy meanwhile.

Never thought of that before. The advantage is in being awarded the penalty. This seems like an extra advantage in the award.

I do really like the psychology of a player having a pen saved and then having to go through the process again.

I've always wanted a rule whereby the player fouled is the one who has to take it. If it's for something like handball it's the person who hit the shot/cross.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 20, 2020

speedie87 said:
I sort of agree but why should attacking team be penalised for the keeper braking the rule

But if you think the only reason he saved it was because he broke the rules then there's no issue with the same penalty taker being used.

wingy · Sep 20, 2020

Couldn't give monkeys.
No fan of utd.

The Great Eastern · Sep 20, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I've always wanted a rule whereby the player fouled is the one who has to take it. If it's for something like handball it's the person who hit the shot/cross.

So the guy brought down gets injured in the process (quite possible) then has to get up and take a penalty. Never going to happen. Besides that, Manure lost so that's just fine by me.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 20, 2020

The Great Eastern said:
So the guy brought down gets injured in the process (quite possible) then has to get up and take a penalty. Never going to happen. Besides that, Manure lost so that's just fine by me.

In such a scenario you could be given the option of 'subbing' in a taker, but the rule would be that the injured player not taking wouldn't be allowed back on the pitch for a few minutes.

For me it's about making us better at penalties becuase we're shit at them in tournaments. Same reason I'd have no qualms with draws ending in pens for the extra point.

Grendel · Sep 20, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But if you think the only reason he saved it was because he broke the rules then there's no issue with the same penalty taker being used.

if a player encroaches though there’s never actually been such a rule

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 20, 2020

Grendel said:
if a player encroaches though there’s never actually been such a rule

I'm not saying their has, I just think that if a penalty is being retaken for any reason then the player that took it should have the confidence to take the second. If they don't they shouldn't be taking the first.

It might seem a bit draconian but yellows for encroaching (either team), keeper off the line or for the taker stopping in the run up would soon stop all the nonsense.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'm not saying their has, I just think that if a penalty is being retaken for any reason then the player that took it should have the confidence to take the second. If they don't they shouldn't be taking the first.

It might seem a bit draconian but yellows for encroaching (either team), keeper off the line or for the taker stopping in the run up would soon stop all the nonsense.

No it would escalate it

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 21, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
No it would escalate it

Why? Why would people risk getting booked/sent off for such a minor thing?

If you've got rules that are being flouted them you've got two options - enforce that law or get rid of it because it becomes a mockery.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Why? Why would people risk getting booked/sent off for such a minor thing?

If you've got rules that are being flouted them you've got two options - enforce that law or get rid of it because it becomes a mockery.

They’d blame the ref for booking someone

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 21, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
They’d blame the ref for booking someone

If it were the rule, the problem being?

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
If it were the rule, the problem being?

Just annoying. Look at there whining about the retake

wingy · Sep 26, 2020

No surprise how var has come to their assistance again .
And 1:30 second's after injury time should have ended.

wingy · Sep 26, 2020

I will never believe this tool has done anything but compound the advantage of the percieved 'big teams'.

lifeskyblue · Sep 26, 2020

For the big clubs and tv.

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Nick · Sep 26, 2020

10 minutes into stoppage time??

lifeskyblue · Sep 26, 2020

5mins of 5mins ball headed against hand. Ref blew final whistle. Utd players ran to ref....VAR ... penalty.
By the time VAR And ref sorted an extra 4+mins go by.

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wingy · Sep 26, 2020

Nick said:
10 minutes into stoppage time??

It was 1:30 mins past injury time.
Brighton had scored a minute earlier .+30 for goal celebration.
Utd got a corner1 minute after that which was allowed then the pen.

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