The penalties in the United game (1 Viewer)

Evo1883 · Sep 27, 2020

The new handball rule is fucking awful... Players CANNOT run around with their arms by their side all the time... The Everton penalty yesterday shows this.

If I was a manager I'd be urging my players to simply cross the ball into players bodies to try and get cheap penalties... Games going backwards with rules like this

tommydazzle · Sep 27, 2020

Yep, another poor pen in the Everton Palace game. VAR used to back up this stupid rule.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 27, 2020

Evo1883 said:
The new handball rule is fucking awful... Players CANNOT run around with their arms by their side all the time... The Everton penalty yesterday shows this.

If I was a manager I'd be urging my players to simply cross the ball into players bodies to try and get cheap penalties... Games going backwards with rules like this

We’ve got to get back into the spirit of the rules rather than these technicalities. If someone has their arms spread facing down a cross, they’re trying to block it with hands so give it. If they’re running around with their back turned and it strikes an outstretched arm then don’t.

The key word was always ‘deliberate’ but that seems to have been forgotten

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 27, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
We’ve got to get back into the spirit of the rules rather than these technicalities. If someone has their arms spread facing down a cross, they’re trying to block it with hands so give it. If they’re running around with their back turned and it strikes an outstretched arm then don’t.

The key word was always ‘deliberate’ but that seems to have been forgotten

It's never been a great rule. It's far too subjective, and so you can't really have consistency. I've seen pens given for stuff that was nowhere near deliberate, yet others that probably were not because a player is good at making it look accidental (Terry got away with loads).

Similarly it seems unfair that an almost certain goal is blocked accidentally by a hand yet is not 'punished'. Look at the Man U game yesterday. The WBA player wasn't 'deliberately' handling the ball and so shouldn't be given, but the deflection on it potentially altered the course of the ball and it might have gone in without it, so that needs taking into account.

They're tying themselves up in knots making the law so convoluted trying to solve the problem when just a simplification of 'handball is handball' and punishable by an indirect free kick whereever it occurs on the pitch takes all the controversy out. Hockey has that rule and there's no controversy or problem - it's the rule and you get on with it. Only possible subjective call is a 'deliberate' handball to stop a scoring opportunity being a red card.

People argue that it'd lead to players kicking balls at hands and stuff but so what. Players adapt what their doing to reflect changes, just like now players make sure their body is between the defender and the ball because you can't tackle from behind so guaranteed a foul and goalkeepers have had to get better with their feet since the backpass rule changed. 5 years after the change no-one would even question it.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 27, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's never been a great rule. It's far too subjective, and so you can't really have consistency. I've seen pens given for stuff that was nowhere near deliberate, yet others that probably were not because a player is good at making it look accidental (Terry got away with loads).

Similarly it seems unfair that an almost certain goal is blocked accidentally by a hand yet is not 'punished'. Look at the Man U game yesterday. The WBA player wasn't 'deliberately' handling the ball and so shouldn't be given, but the deflection on it potentially altered the course of the ball and it might have gone in without it, so that needs taking into account.

They're tying themselves up in knots making the law so convoluted trying to solve the problem when just a simplification of 'handball is handball' and punishable by an indirect free kick whereever it occurs on the pitch takes all the controversy out. Hockey has that rule and there's no controversy or problem - it's the rule and you get on with it. Only possible subjective call is a 'deliberate' handball to stop a scoring opportunity being a red card.

People argue that it'd lead to players kicking balls at hands and stuff but so what. Players adapt what their doing to reflect changes, just like now players make sure their body is between the defender and the ball because you can't tackle from behind so guaranteed a foul and goalkeepers have had to get better with their feet since the backpass rule changed. 5 years after the change no-one would even question it.

I suppose something like the hockey rule would make more sense though as a defender in that it never seemed fair that a free hit was given against me when someone had just taken my eye out!

jordan210 · Sep 27, 2020

Evo1883 said:
The new handball rule is fucking awful... Players CANNOT run around with their arms by their side all the time... The Everton penalty yesterday shows this.

If I was a manager I'd be urging my players to simply cross the ball into players bodies to try and get cheap penalties... Games going backwards with rules like this

what's effectively you do in hockey with the foot full. Just play it constantly in to a foot to get cheap fouls

Evo1883 · Sep 27, 2020

Heading it into the back of diers arm... Penalty... Games a fucking joke

clint van damme · Sep 27, 2020

it's a bad rule but some of the hyperbole on social media is embarrassing.

Frostie · Sep 27, 2020

I'm not sure I'd want us in the Premier League with VAR, it's the worst invention ever.

clint van damme · Sep 27, 2020

Frostie said:
I'm not sure I'd want us in the Premier League with VAR, it's the worst invention ever.

to be fair it's not VAR, it's the rule change.
Same as United yesterday, VAR allowed the ref to get the penalty calls right. It's not VARs fault that one of them happened when the game should have already been over!

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 27, 2020

It's a shit rule.....but not as bad as VAR which is the dumbest thing to happen in football since that chubby public school boy Webb ellis picked the fucker up.

Frostie · Sep 27, 2020

clint van damme said:
to be fair it's not VAR, it's the rule change.
Same as United yesterday, VAR allowed the ref to get the penalty calls right. It's not VARs fault that one of them happened when the game should have already been over!

Not purely the handball rule, literally everything about it.

That said the handball rule was changed to facilitate VAR, they believed it was too subjective so decided to dumb it down to make reviewing it easier & in doing so all common sense was removed.

How anybody can be in favour of VAR is beyond me.

clint van damme · Sep 27, 2020

Frostie said:
Not purely the handball rule, literally everything about it.

That said the handball rule was changed to facilitate VAR, they believed it was too subjective so decided to dumb it down to make reviewing it easier & in doing so all common sense was removed.

How anybody can be in favour of VAR is beyond me.

I hope we'll be experiencing it first hand next season!

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 27, 2020

clint van damme said:
I hope we'll be experiencing it first hand next season!

I hope we'll actually be experiencing next season.

Frostie · Sep 27, 2020

clint van damme said:
I hope we'll be experiencing it first hand next season!

They'll hopefully have seen sense & binned it beforehand.

Evo1883 · Sep 27, 2020

The problem is that VAR goes hand in hand with the shite decisions... No VAR no decision... I know its the correct decision but its a joke law made up by people trying to get every single technicality punished

We've already had several ludicrous penalties 3 games in

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 27, 2020

clint van damme said:
to be fair it's not VAR, it's the rule change.
Same as United yesterday, VAR allowed the ref to get the penalty calls right. It's not VARs fault that one of them happened when the game should have already been over!

The rules aren't helping at all and VAR could be very useful if it was used sensibly. It's not. It's everything that is bad about having video refs and considering how many sports have done it before you have to question if it's by design. They want it to be rubbish so it gets binned off.

clint van damme · Sep 27, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
The rules aren't helping at all and VAR could be very useful if it was used sensibly. It's not. It's everything that is bad about having video refs and considering how many sports have done it before you have to question if it's by design. They want it to be rubbish so it gets binned off.

it won't get binned now. People were banging the drum about getting it for years, now the same people are moaning about it, well it's here to stay.

clint van damme · Sep 27, 2020

RIP football trending on Twitter - fucking idiots.
The season has got under way in a global pandemic with games behind closed doors but a change to the hand ball rule is going to kill it - deary me!

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 27, 2020

clint van damme said:
RIP football trending on Twitter - fucking idiots.
The season has got under way in a global pandemic with games behind closed doors but a change to the hand ball rule is going to kill it - deary me!

None of them are bitching about the clubs that will be sent under because nobody's allowed to go to a game.

clint van damme · Sep 27, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
None of them are bitching about the clubs that will be sent under because nobody's allowed to go to a game.

exactly, much bigger challenges facing the game at the moment.
It's a shit rule change, there's a lot of back lash so it will probably be gone by next season, it isn't a threat to the existence of the game.

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